Wii/Zelda rant.. no spoilers whatsoever.

jibjab · 12-07-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xbandaidx

I think it has to do more with the fact that not everyone has HD TV's (only 5% in the US households have em) and graphics on standard televisions are limited to the televisions resolution. so really having super powerful graphics solution can be pointless if you don't have a tv set that can display the incredible detail of it which is where resolution comes in.

absolute nonsense.

Mmy · 12-07-2006, 11:10 AM

This thread consists of entirely too much of you pushing your opinon onto us.

I wasn't a fan of the controls of TP in the beginning either, but warmed up to them over time. Sure its not 1:1, but hey, if i wanted that i could go play Red Steel. Of all the zeldas this one has been my favorite in terms of play and plot.

Gb2GC if you hate the wii so much.

3mpathy · 12-07-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jibjab

its a gamecube with a new controller. i already had a gamecube so basically i paid $250 for a controller. could they have made this console more powerful? absolutely. would it have taken anything away from the controller? of course not. would it have made the games less fun? of course not. would it have given the next generation of games a fresh new visual look? absolutely. you guys really need to get off this kick that you can have graphics or fun but not both. you've been brainwashed.

or possibly i care more about my games being fun than looking good... :| if i wanted stuff that looked good id go outside and swing a stick, that stick would have a higher res than anything the ps3 or 360 could pump out... im more interested in the fact the wii is fun not that it doesnt look as good as the rest..

nintendo already said they wernt trying to compete graphicly so how can anyone compare..., you dont like the wii.. sucks to be you send it this way, ill be happy to take it off your ungratful hands.

BlenderWizard · 12-07-2006, 12:49 PM

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CoryChevalier · 12-07-2006, 01:13 PM

Yeah I really disliked the TP controls at first but I love them now and they're second nature...and as far as Wii Sports, personally I love it. It sounds like maybe you'd be happier with the PS3 and thats fine....return the Wii and go get one. But it wasn't a big surprise that the graphics wouldn't be as good with the Wii...they weren't keeping that a secret. A system that costs $250 and has the Wiimote innovation is amazing...If you don't like it thats fine but you'll have a hard time convincing people on a Wii-specific board to agree with you lol

3mpathy · 12-07-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CoryChevalier

Yeah I really disliked the TP controls at first but I love them now and they're second nature...and as far as Wii Sports, personally I love it. It sounds like maybe you'd be happier with the PS3 and thats fine....return the Wii and go get one. But it wasn't a big surprise that the graphics wouldn't be as good with the Wii...they weren't keeping that a secret. A system that costs $250 and has the Wiimote innovation is amazing...If you don't like it thats fine but you'll have a hard time convincing people on a Wii-specific board to agree with you lol

Lol summed up nicely, its like going into a church to tell people why god doesnt exist.. your not exactly gonna be welcomed lol

Deathmetalmaster · 12-07-2006, 01:57 PM

the only reason LOZ:TP might feel a bit gimmicky is because it is a gamecube game that was ported on to the wii. The controls for the sword rely completely on the accelerometers of the controller, that is whay it doesnt matter which way you swing it. If you are a true zelda fan, then these details should not matter to you. its an awesome game, so play it.

Flip · 12-07-2006, 02:05 PM

Zelda feels fine to me. I picked it up and knew what I was doing instantly. There was no "warming up to it" or "getting used to it". I just picked up and played. It's so basic. But it feels oh-so-good.

It works absolutely perfectly, and to be honest, I wouldn't want to go back to the old controllers. Not that there's anything wrong with old controllers. In fact, I love SNES, NES and GC controllers. But hey, why mash buttons when you can swing the Wiimote?

yarsmang · 12-07-2006, 03:52 PM

Yeah man, i'd say too bad for you.

I love Zelda, I love Wii sports, I love it all.

Wii rocks.

jibjab · 12-07-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 3mpathy

or possibly i care more about my games being fun than looking good... :| if i wanted stuff that looked good id go outside and swing a stick, that stick would have a higher res than anything the ps3 or 360 could pump out... im more interested in the fact the wii is fun not that it doesnt look as good as the rest..

nintendo already said they wernt trying to compete graphicly so how can anyone compare..., you dont like the wii.. sucks to be you send it this way, ill be happy to take it off your ungratful hands.

and again, we all care more about fun more than graphics.. but AGAIN, that doesn't mean you have to NOT care about graphics at all. its not one or the other.. jesus

n2006 · 12-07-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jibjab

its a gamecube with a new controller. i already had a gamecube so basically i paid $250 for a controller. could they have made this console more powerful? absolutely. would it have taken anything away from the controller? of course not. would it have made the games less fun? of course not. would it have given the next generation of games a fresh new visual look? absolutely. you guys really need to get off this kick that you can have graphics or fun but not both. you've been brainwashed.

(sorry for my poor english, i'm portuguese)

Would it have costed $250?

Nintendo hasn't made the wii for the guys who bought gamecube. we all know gamecube didn't do very well.
They could make a better Wii and sell it for $400 but then most gamers would prefer sticking with 360 or ps3. This way, people who have a 360 or a ps3 can still think of buying a Wii just for the fun of it.

I think they wanted to make it one step at a time: first, expand their territory to other gamers and non-gamers; than I believe that if they do well in this chapter, in 3 or 4 years there will be a wii hd with which dvd player that wins the competition (blue-ray or hd-dvd).

Taero · 12-07-2006, 04:50 PM

To the poster who was complaining about TP not featuring 1:1 controls for links sword movements and thus not being able to do elegant combos, I ask you, could you ever pull off an elegant combo even if the game allowed o.O? Also think on this, from our perspective we are looking down on links world mostly, we see him as a small character, perhaps a bit larger when we're close up in tunnels etc or zoomed in but I would find it hard to guage distance to pull off 1:1 combos at enemies. This isn't really a first or second person game now is it, it would be much easier to pull it off in Red Steel had they done it or No more Heroes when it comes out (which is the route I believe they're going).

How can people still be saying that it has the same graphics as a gamecube >_< I really don't understand it, it IS more powerful than a gamecube, even if it's 50% look at it this way, I have £1000, ad 50% to that and I have £1500, quite a bit more money even if its only 50% (terrible analogy I know :P)

jibjab · 12-07-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CoryChevalier

Yeah I really disliked the TP controls at first but I love them now and they're second nature...and as far as Wii Sports, personally I love it. It sounds like maybe you'd be happier with the PS3 and thats fine....return the Wii and go get one. But it wasn't a big surprise that the graphics wouldn't be as good with the Wii...they weren't keeping that a secret. A system that costs $250 and has the Wiimote innovation is amazing...If you don't like it thats fine but you'll have a hard time convincing people on a Wii-specific board to agree with you lol

i've never owned a sony or ms console, i pretty much only play videogames these days if its a nintendo first party title. charging $250 for a system thats a little more powerful than the gamecube (twice as powerful is nothing, compare intels fastest chip in 2001, p4 2ghz 400mhz bus to todays fastest intel, the quad-core 5300, 4 x 2.66ghz w/ 1333mhz bus). technology moves fast, the quad core is actually cheaper than the p4 was in 2001..

anyways, a token increase in power and a remote that kinda works, thats not worth $250 and the fact that you guys think you got a deal is even more shocking. its a ripoff, if the remote worked flawlessy, that would be one thing, if the remote worked as well as it does but came with a truly upgraded system, that would be fine too..

but yes i will definitely be selling my wii, as soon as i'm done with zelda.

jibjab · 12-07-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taero

To the poster who was complaining about TP not featuring 1:1 controls for links sword movements and thus not being able to do elegant combos, I ask you, could you ever pull off an elegant combo even if the game allowed o.O? Also think on this, from our perspective we are looking down on links world mostly, we see him as a small character, perhaps a bit larger when we're close up in tunnels etc or zoomed in but I would find it hard to guage distance to pull off 1:1 combos at enemies. This isn't really a first or second person game now is it, it would be much easier to pull it off in Red Steel had they done it or No more Heroes when it comes out (which is the route I believe they're going).

How can people still be saying that it has the same graphics as a gamecube >_< I really don't understand it, it IS more powerful than a gamecube, even if it's 50% look at it this way, I have £1000, ad 50% to that and I have £1500, quite a bit more money even if its only 50% (terrible analogy I know :P)

you've always had to guage distance, that part doesn't make much sense. and yeah it would be really nice if i slashed left to right, so did link, exactly when i did, and if i slash right to left, so did link, exactly when i did, if i jab he jabs, etc.. and yes that would be easy to control. right now the game is just a bunch of senseless slashing, no better than button mashing in my opinion, and actually less accurate.. sometimes you slash and nothing happens, that doesn't happen when you push a button.

also, the gamecube is 5 years old, its nearly worthless at this point, you can get a console, couple controllers, memory card and a couple games on ebay for $40. your new system is twice as powerful as that $40 piece of hardware.

Inspire · 12-07-2006, 05:09 PM

Sorry to hear you didn't like it. I'm enjoying the hell out of mine.

I really hope you had an HDTV and component cables before you took shots at the graphics / textures...

jibjab · 12-07-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by n2006

(sorry for my poor english, i'm portuguese)

Would it have costed $250?

Nintendo hasn't made the wii for the guys who bought gamecube. we all know gamecube didn't do very well.
They could make a better Wii and sell it for $400 but then most gamers would prefer sticking with 360 or ps3. This way, people who have a 360 or a ps3 can still think of buying a Wii just for the fun of it.

I think they wanted to make it one step at a time: first, expand their territory to other gamers and non-gamers; than I believe that if they do well in this chapter, in 3 or 4 years there will be a wii hd with which dvd player that wins the competition (blue-ray or hd-dvd).

exactly, nintendo didn't make this console for people that bought a gamecube, they made it for everyone else, but in the process they're screwing all those people that actually supported them and bought a gamecube. $250 for a minor horsepower upgrade a new controller. this console is worth $125, tops. the gamecube wasn't even top of the line in 2001, doubling that power makes the wii something that could have easily come out in 2002.

ps. whats this obsession with having dvd players as part of the console? all it does is increase the cost of the console without actually improving the games in any way.. how many people actually watched dvds on their playstation 2's?

jibjab · 12-07-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspire

Sorry to hear you didn't like it. I'm enjoying the hell out of mine.

I really hope you had an HDTV and component cables before you took shots at the graphics / textures...

nope, and while those would be ideal viewing conditions, it doesn't change the fact that if i plug my friends 360 into my tv, the improvement in graphical quality, textures, sharpness, polygon size, etc.. is -quite- noticable compared to the wii. the 360 would look better on the hdtv too y'know, its all relative.

CoryChevalier · 12-07-2006, 05:37 PM

Yes...nobody is saying the 360 doens't look better...and nobody is saying they'd be against the Wii having better graphics if it didn't bring the price up...the difference is you don't like it overall and we seem to. It's not some big dramatic thing so stop trying to prove some "point". I'm intelligent and can make up my own mind as I'm sure you are. And the controller does work GREAT but in Zelda it doesn't function as full as it does in other games and in games to come because its pretty much a GC port (and still a great game).