Wii in danger of repeating the Gamecube?

JeremyGTS · 11-30-2007, 01:01 PM

what i find funny about the whole console war is if the PS3 were on top and xbox/wii were fighting it out everyone would have already declared the PS3 the victor along time ago.. but since its Ninty on top people are trying to prolong the "war" as long as they can, sorry nintendo will not be topped any time soon...

and wii is far from the same path as GC even it was id still be happy cause i liked the GC it has better graphics and hardware than ps2 and i liked the games better... i still have a ps2 and since i got the wii its been in the closet ever since taking up space actually so not everyone is playing their ps2s still only reason i bought a ps2 was for GT3/GT4 other than that its crap!

Bliss · 11-30-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyGTS

i liked the GC it has better graphics and hardware than ps2 and i liked the games better...

WHAT?!?!? i wont even comment on that one..that is just not knowing anything!!!

Ok now im gonna have to agree with youngblood here...yes even though a video GAME console is and should be about gaming, but the PS3 and 360 take it to a WHOLE other level, with the voice and video chat, i mean damn the wii is stuck with the friend code bs that u dont even want to talk to people on it cuz its to much of a hassle. and 2nd i do believe that it is way to early to consider the wii down and out since most 3rd party developers arent prepared for the wii since they didnt think it would thrive like this..BUT NINTENDO THEMSELVES NEED TO STEP UP..this is there system and they know what and it can do and wat it cant do.

By the way...i love this thread, such a great debate on everyones end

LoganSix · 11-30-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

...yes even though a video GAME console is and should be about gaming, but the PS3 and 360 take it to a WHOLE other level, with the voice and video chat...

I'm sorry, but that other level is what PC gamers have been experiencing for years. All the PS3 and 360 are doing is creating semi-upgradeable PC's. Is it the goal for gaming consoles to emulate PC's/DVD players/Home Entertainment Systems?

The current issue with PC's is that you are stuck with the block. You can only add and upgrade so many times until the block needs to replaced. Entertainment should be component based. Your movie playing, video recording, gaming, music listening should be separate, but compatible with each other.

I will give you that it would be nice to have chat features on the Wii. But, the Wii uses Bluetooth to communicate with the remotes. That means, it could easily use Bluetooth headsets for talking. It's just not implemented, just like the microphone in the remote. Why hasn't Nintendo implemented that feature? Who knows, maybe they want to give 3rd parties a chance. Or maybe they want to roll things out slowly so that people are more and more interested in coming back to their gaming console. Nintendo pushed an upgrade that allowed us to use the keyboard in the web browser, it could do the same for a headset.

The interaction with the Wii is what is innovative and what sets it apart. Take "Rock Star" for example. In order to play it on the 360, PC, or PS3 you will need to buy multiple accessories to play each instrument. Then you have to attach those instruments to the console. The Wii remote can already be a drum, tambourine, harmonica (not 100%), put the chuck and remote together and you have a trombone, cymbals, base drum, trumpet, violin. That's innovation.

When the WiiBoard comes out, those people who like playing skating games will have a new way to play. Or, since it can tell if you squat down or stand up, imagine being able to duck down to hide during a fire fight. Jump on a vehicle and steering with your body movements. That's innovation.

Bliss · 11-30-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSix

I'm sorry, but that other level is what PC gamers have been experiencing for years. All the PS3 and 360 are doing is creating semi-upgradeable PC's. Is it the goal for gaming consoles to emulate PC's/DVD players/Home Entertainment Systems?

The current issue with PC's is that you are stuck with the block. You can only add and upgrade so many times until the block needs to replaced. Entertainment should be component based. Your movie playing, video recording, gaming, music listening should be separate, but compatible with each other.

I will give you that it would be nice to have chat features on the Wii. But, the Wii uses Bluetooth to communicate with the remotes. That means, it could easily use Bluetooth headsets for talking. It's just not implemented, just like the microphone in the remote. Why hasn't Nintendo implemented that feature? Who knows, maybe they want to give 3rd parties a chance. Or maybe they want to roll things out slowly so that people are more and more interested in coming back to their gaming console. Nintendo pushed an upgrade that allowed us to use the keyboard in the web browser, it could do the same for a headset.

The interaction with the Wii is what is innovative and what sets it apart. Take "Rock Star" for example. In order to play it on the 360, PC, or PS3 you will need to buy multiple accessories to play each instrument. Then you have to attach those instruments to the console. The Wii remote can already be a drum, tambourine, harmonica (not 100%), put the chuck and remote together and you have a trombone, cymbals, base drum, trumpet, violin. That's innovation.

When the WiiBoard comes out, those people who like playing skating games will have a new way to play. Or, since it can tell if you squat down or stand up, imagine being able to duck down to hide during a fire fight. Jump on a vehicle and steering with your body movements. That's innovation.

Well i see it as this a PC is a PC and NOOO gamin console can EVER top it, but with the 360 and PS3 people are now getting the feel of PC gaming without the PC...and the whole thing u said about nintendo taking it slow on using a headset and all that..if that is true they are smart and stupid at the sametime, smart cuz the casual, new gamer is always gonna have something new, but on the other hand the "hardcore" gamer, they are losing them, with the PS3 and 360 already a few steps ahead people are gonna go to the console with the most features in the end...granted the Wii is very innovated i will never take that away but it just seems to be moving to slow for me.

LoganSix · 11-30-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

...people are gonna go to the console with the most features in the end...

But in the here and now, more people are buying and will continue to buy the Wii.

LoganSix · 11-30-2007, 02:57 PM

BTW, I did a software selling simulation in college, even though my group put more virtual money into creating more features for the software, the group with the cheapest software won the simulation.

devitek · 11-30-2007, 04:21 PM

A few hours of sleep later, I'm back with some new info.

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/200...rline-failure/

Despite the title, there's some really good points in there.

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...And let's not forget that shooters are probably more to the taste of U.S. audiences...

So, I'm guessing that most of the down-talk about the Wii has come from U.S. gamers. Mind you, I'm a U.S. gamer, but I totally don't fit the stereotype.

But, I love this quote:

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Mind you, he gets brownie points for describing Galaxy as "at least six times better than Halo 3."

Nice.

Bliss · 11-30-2007, 04:57 PM

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Have you ever woke up in the morning, walked past your Wii on your way to grab a bowl of cereal or whatever? Noticed that pulsating glow from the slot? Hmmm... could that be an update?

sounds like a commerical

ShawVAuto · 11-30-2007, 04:59 PM

I know right. I would get the guy from the All-State commercials to read my post. At the end he would say, "That's Nintendo's stand, are you in good hands?"

JeremyGTS · 11-30-2007, 06:51 PM

the GC did have better hardware and graphics than PS2 you are just in fanboy denial there... last wave of ps2 games were great looking ill say that but if you run the specs you will see if you even understand... the PS2 was the worst of the 3 in terms of hardware.

ok lets take a look at the ps2 cpu and gpu.

CPU 128-bit "Emotion Engine" clocked at 294 MHz
GPU "Graphics Synthesizer" clocked at 147 MHz

no look at the GC

CPU PowerPC Gekko, 485 MHz
GPU ATI Technologies, 162 MHz

the gpu is almost double the speed of the PST and the GPU not much difference so how can you tell me in terms of hardware the GC is crap..

Bliss · 11-30-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyGTS

the GC did have better hardware and graphics than PS2 you are just in fanboy denial there... last wave of ps2 games were great looking ill say that but if you run the specs you will see if you even understand... the PS2 was the worst of the 3 in terms of hardware.

OK well first off i am not ANY console "fanboy"...and 2nd ur right i just looked at the specs for the 2 and the cube is better..sorry..i will admit wheni am wrong

JeremyGTS · 11-30-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

OK well first off i am not ANY console "fanboy"...and 2nd ur right i just looked at the specs for the 2 and the cube is better..sorry..i will admit wheni am wrong

ok ok ill take that back and say sorry about that...

i just found this article and found it interesting its from 11-3-2000 kinda old but a nice read about the differences between the 2 educated myself a lil as well

http://cube.ign.com/articles/086/086984p1.html

ally_uk · 11-30-2007, 07:39 PM

I agree with the pc comments i'm currently in the process of upgrading my pc i'm waiting for the Intel wolfdale chips to drop

I already have the case and other components so a CPU M/B 2 gigs of ram and a geforce 9 when it drops will cost me about £500 and i'll have a pc that'll play anything woohoo

Anyways back to the subject of Nintendo a few promising titles are in the pipline the ones I am interested in are

Zack and Wiki
Smash Bros
No More Heros
Red steel 2
Project O ( kings story)
Monster hunter 3
News on the new zelda

Ok so maybe I overlooked the fact that the Wii is only a year into it's release and developers need the time to get to grips with the in's and outs of the console hopefully in 2008 we will see some big annoucements at E3 etc,

Fingers crossed that big developers like Square, Gearbox , Bungee, Rockstar will see that the Wii is doing well in sales and that the console is a hidden gem

I can honestly say out of all 3 consoles I absolutley love the nintendo Wii it's amazing console I actually found the Xbox 360 quite dull in comparison mainly due to the pads

Is it me? or after playing a wii the controls just feel meh

My mate showed me Gears of war and I was like wow eye candy but this game is actually quite repetitive and dull it's the same old thing

Mario Galaxy when I first played this I was like whoa i actually smiled and thought to myself this is incredible use of creativity and immersion what a absolutley stunning game.

I havent had that much fun with a game since the N64 days!

Metroid 3 also was a awesome game I cannot stress how much I have enjoyed this game!

Hopefully big things will happen for nintendo I don't agree with the fact that the wii can magically become overclocked I belive that it's going to take time for the developers to maximise the graphical potential of the console and if Nintendo keep hammering out games along the lines of Metroid , Zelda, Mario

then hell they cant go wrong!

Bliss · 11-30-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyGTS

ok ok ill take that back and say sorry about that...

i just found this article and found it interesting its from 11-3-2000 kinda old but a nice read about the differences between the 2 educated myself a lil as well

http://cube.ign.com/articles/086/086984p1.html

WOW

that was A LOT of reading...my eyes hurt now..lol..but yea that is something def did not know...off the top of my head i wouldve thought it would be the other way around, just couldnt believe actually how difficult it is for 3rd party developers to make a game for ps2 and how easy it was for the gc..but on the other hand they did say that in a way they did like that better cuz they got to write the code themselves to make things better...idk..to much thinking for me right now, not good to think so much when ur sick..

cangelo · 11-30-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

..if that is true they are smart and stupid at the sametime, smart cuz the casual, new gamer is always gonna have something new, but on the other hand the "hardcore" gamer, they are losing them,

I think it's pretty obvious that Nintendo targeted casual gamers and not 'hard core gamers', which has shown to be a far better gameplan than anyone expected. Rather than splitting/fighting for the smaller subset of 'hard core' gamers against Microsoft and Sony, they get to dominate the market by monopolizing the casual gamers...Brilliant I say!

And yes, sales and money dictate where 3rd party companies will focus their attention. You keep talking about it being 'difficult' to downgrade which is absolutely not true...that is a non issue. Experienced development teams have access to the tools and can easily migrate/port as needed. Development tools are available to easily create titles once and compile them for multiple systems. Even us Indie game developers can use cheaper engines like GarageGames' torque engine which is able to create PC, Xbox, WiiWare, and Wii disc based games. Developers (big and small) have recognized the Wii as a big chunk of sales pie and they are changing their console plans as Wii speak

Bliss · 11-30-2007, 08:42 PM

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Even us Indie game developers can use cheaper engines like GarageGames' torque engine which is able to create PC, Xbox, WiiWare, and Wii disc based games.

wat do u mean there "us" are u a game developer?

cangelo · 11-30-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

wat do u mean there "us" are u a game developer?

Yes, but the point was that even small developer groups have access to reasonably priced tools for cross platform/console development...negating the argument that that it is difficult for larger 3rd party companies (who have plenty of cash and resources) to develop their games for multiple consoles due to technology issues (ie: Madden Football Games).