Nintendo's Third Party Problems & Solutions

CantGetAWii · 01-03-2008, 07:40 PM

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During the PS1 generation, Nintendo became mired for a time in the delay of the 64 console. Because of that and the strong ability to fill the great desire for (what was at that time) the next step in gaming, Sony took off like a rocket, and Nintendo lost a large chunk of the gaming audience that it had helped create. Keep in mind that at this point, 14 years ago, today’s hardcore 20 or 30 something gamers were for the most part receiving their consoles and games as gifts rather than buying them on their own. The average kid does not get a $200 system a year and a half or two after his parents bought him a $200-$300 one.

Nintendo 64 still ended up doing well, with around 33 million sold, but the Playstation had sold just over 100 million consoles. Sony had seen a market ripe for harvest, and took the next step before the prime cultivators were able to. Nintendo had lost the vast majority of gaming market share and developer support in the proverbial blink of an eye. Those who remained “loyal” to Nintendo typically were amongst the relative few who could afford both of the consoles, or the hardcore faithful, who lived for the tried and true classics that the Nintendo label provided.

We all know the rest of this story. By the time Nintendo realized that the N64 was losing the battle and released the GameCube, the PS2 had already been released for over a year, with the ever-growing in popularity DVD integration into its design. To compound the trouble, Microsoft’s Xbox would release a month after the GameCube, further shrinking Nintendo’s console market share, and largely changing the dynamic by capitalizing on the desire for more sensational first person shooters. Nintendo’s clout with developers shrank even more than its market share. At this point--with a few bright exceptions--if Nintendo had an exclusive, it was either a game that no one else wanted, or Nintendo had developed it themselves.

Those were the beginnings of the 3rd party developer woes of Nintendo. Because of their inability to spread the wealth with what little was left, they gained a somewhat false reputation for having a base that only enjoyed Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games. Now, enter the Wii.

With another proverbial blink of an eye, Nintendo’s fortunes were reversed. The company not only took advantage of rival Sony making the same (perhaps unavoidable) mistake that they had with the N64, its strategy to expand the base number of those called gamers was a success. And yet the reputation regarding 3rd party games remains. Why?

Yes, the history includes some big reasons, but it is also the little things that complicate this problem. Some would say that it is the user base refusing to buy games that is the problem. However, anyone who would spend $250+ on any product, by default would be interested in ways to further or optimize their experience with that product. But where is the advertising? How do these customers know what is out there if they aren’t constantly perusing the game aisle at Target or Wal-Mart?

We’ve seen Nintendo Wii commercials, and even a few for Super Mario Galaxy, but those commercials have been few. That being said, I have never even once seen a commercial for a 3rd party Wii game. Not once. Despite the fact that Wii games cost as little as 10% as much as it takes to develop a PS3 or Xbox 360 game. For the comic book or video game magazine reader? There are plenty of ads for Xbox 360, and PS3 games, but never for Nintendo games unless the ad is for a multi-console game. Do these developers really expect their products to sell when they don’t make the product known to the target audience? This is Business 101, not too complicated.

While advertising is a problem, so is the combination of 3rd party game quality and Nintendo’s policies of unnecessary strings attached. There was a time when there was no such thing as an Anubis 2/Ninjabread man on a Nintendo console. The Nintendo seal of quality on the cover of the game assured gamers that whether you liked the game or not, it was a first class effort. No longer. Even many average 3rd party Wii games have a problem in that they are ports or dual released titles with the PS2, with little effort put into creating the appropriate difference in quality between the two systems. Add to this the list of annoying, unnecessary little things that hinder the game experience, and even a decent 3rd party game has to be thought about twice before being bought.

What little things, you ask? Let’s start with online policy. Not only is Nintendo’s online service terrible for certain games, it is innately impersonal, which makes it unappealing right off the bat. Not only are your opponents silenced by lack of voice chat, for the most part, they are by default nameless unless you use the tedious and limiting Friend Code process. The result? The majority of online play feels as if one is competing against the game’s AI. In their desire to protect children from the dangers of online connections, Nintendo seems to have forgotten that their system has a Parental Controls system.

Next? Regional alienation. Nothing makes a gamer feel more unimportant to, or disrespected by a company than when a game is released in their region at a later date, or with less/different features compared to elsewhere. For example, Suda 51’s highly anticipated “No More Heroes” debuted in Japan (with very little support), but not yet anywhere else for at least a month after. No More Heroes is an intentionally corny game with a somewhat unique art style that balances that corny-ness with hardcore violence. Yet in Japan, the blood in this game was replaced with shadowy, fly-like creatures that quickly dissipate. The result? Any intended element of Bad Ass also dissipates, leaving only the corny. Even though gamers in that country aren’t as much into excessive violence as compared to America, the Japanese version of No More Heroes is a slap in the face to the Japanese gamer. Combine that with the late release in other regions (after Christmas) for this game and we see that Suda 51 has cut themselves on the double-edged sword of their own creation.

After all of the profits Nintendo has been making, it is time for them to once again start taking risks by spending. But in addition to spending, these 5 things would revitalize the 3rd party market on the ever popular Nintendo Wii.

1. Nintendo should demand the appropriate difference in quality concerning Wii games that also have a PS2 counterpart. People are sick of PS2 ports with unimaginative, forced “waggle.”
2. Nintendo should spend more money on TV ads promoting Wii games in general. Not just specific Nintendo created games. If Mario and Zelda sell well by default, advertising money can easily go into building overall game demand.
3. Nintendo should insist that 3rd party developers put in a comparable investment both quality, and time-wise to what Nintendo does. Super Mario Galaxy and LoZ: Twilight Princess weren’t great games because of the main characters, they were great games because of the time and effort put into their creation.
4. Stop with the unnecessary experience hindering policies, and revamp the online system. That, along with treating all gamers fairly and equally regarding content and release dates.
5. Create a Nintendo Network channel on the Wii, backed by a Nintendo owned cartoon studio, where developers can use the choice of their game engines or the animation studio to create a few cartoons (Cartoons can cost as little as 40-$100,000 apiece) and/or commercials of varying length to play for free on the channel, (which would also have paid advertising from whatever companies they chose). For filler time, Nintendo could play their old, classic cartoons from decades past. In conjunction with their TV Guide-like feature currently limited to Japan, all Wii games programs would be known and accessible to the most target of all audiences; the console owners themselves.

Source:
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/wii/story/41066/?spage=2

Puts to rest some of the things I thought were causing the problem, and advertising seems to be quite the issue. I still think people need to buy the games, more so then they are and Nintendo has to fix their own end of things.
Then we may truly see some greatness.

T3kNi9e · 01-03-2008, 08:20 PM

Even though I knew most of this stuff. Very informative and very good find.

It kind of gives a slap to the face to some posters here in these forums. Though none may not admit it, this proves that Nintendo isnt some perfect little angel and shows some of this is their fault. Then again they don't have the money to do things Microsft and Sony can do seeing as they are a company that is devoted only to gaming instead of more than one market. But some things that Nintendo do is just down right stupid, like the online and not advertising games outside of Nintendo, yet they expect it to sale...? No adverisement results to fewer sales, which in turns results in more crappy 3rd party games that both Sony and Microsoft would not pay for.

Which no one can deny that because if it weren't for this lovely forums I would not know half of whats going on with the Wii.

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zap'em up · 01-03-2008, 08:22 PM

perhaps nintendo already knows these things nd they are working online....nd maybe they've talked to 3rd party developers nd told them to stop making crap.

Dbomb3 · 01-03-2008, 08:23 PM

i read that whole article, and i completely agree with it. if nintendo would just listen to these people (and everyone else) the wii would beextremely succesful. even more then it is now.

and i heard somewhere that nintendo told the 3rd party companies to get better.

T3kNi9e · 01-03-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zap'em up

perhaps nintendo already knows these things nd they are working online....nd maybe they've talked to 3rd party developers nd told them to stop making crap.

Maybe, or maybe not.

Remember now, they can't just tell developers "stop making half-baked games for the Wii, its insulting!"

Nintendo doesn't advertise just like the article says. Have you ever seen a Wii commercial that didn't have to do with a Nintendo game? I know I haven't. Unless it was a mutliplatform game on all consoles like Madden and NBA Live. So take No More Heroes, there's a good chance that even a decent looking game like this wont sell 1 million because no advertising. Infact I haven't hardly even seen any internet ads about it. Ive seen more "Too Human" ads and that game isn't even confirmed to actually be releasing.

So what do you do when Nintendo doesn't advertise the game (Business 101 like the article said!) which results in bad sales? You say "F YOU Nintendo" and go to another company (console).

zap'em up · 01-03-2008, 08:32 PM

well shouldnt it be the company that makes the game that advertises it i mean if they want more game sales tehy should advertise shure nintendo can do it but if it's not their game they dont actually have to...i say its the producers/company fault for not advertising

T3kNi9e · 01-03-2008, 08:44 PM

Actually, im not exactly sure. But when you see commercials they're usually followed by Playstation 3 or Xbox 360, so im guessing Microsoft/Sony does it themselves. While possible some bigger publishing companies do some themselves like EA and 2k.

All I know is that when Xbox 360 gets an exclusive 3rd party game like Bioshock, its advertised everywhere. But when Wii gets one, you dont see it. So im guessing its on the console's company for the most part.

But im pretty sure developers can't do it. Thats why they go to publishers for funding to make the game.

No More Hereos is published by Ubisoft which is a pretty succussful company so im guessing they're able to do their own commercials. But I think Nintendo is supposed to help.

iojpoutn · 01-04-2008, 01:18 AM

I agree about the lack of advertising. If I didn't actively hunt down information at IGN and forums like this, I wouldn't know anything about what games were coming out for the Wii.

I think Guitar Hero III may help with the 3rd party support situation. They proved that a non-childish game can be successful on the Wii.

If No More Heroes also does well, I think we'll be seeing a lot more Wii exclusives.

T3kNi9e · 01-04-2008, 01:34 AM

I dont think GH3 really counts. Its not childish, but anyone can play it. Even casual gamers and kids.

jimbo · 01-04-2008, 05:34 AM

^ is that not what the wii is aimed at.(causal gamers)

agree with all of it exept part 5.honestly were did that come from.

i can rememer red steel being advertised but apart from that only 2 or 3 other non nintendo games

Wiimoto · 01-04-2008, 08:35 AM

I dunno, all I see for advertisment is these two guys going to random peoples houses and knocking on doors and they randomly start playing wii. "Wii would like to play"

But I agree with the article/blog and I hope nintendo takes those steps to make their console better.

01-03-2008, 08:20 PM	#2
T3kNi9e Conquistador Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 2,233 Friends: 2	Even though I knew most of this stuff. Very informative and very good find. It kind of gives a slap to the face to some posters here in these forums. Though none may not admit it, this proves that Nintendo isnt some perfect little angel and shows some of this is their fault. Then again they don't have the money to do things Microsft and Sony can do seeing as they are a company that is devoted only to gaming instead of more than one market. But some things that Nintendo do is just down right stupid, like the online and not advertising games outside of Nintendo, yet they expect it to sale...? No adverisement results to fewer sales, which in turns results in more crappy 3rd party games that both Sony and Microsoft would not pay for. Which no one can deny that because if it weren't for this lovely forums I would not know half of whats going on with the Wii. REP FOR YOU! __________________ Mod Edit: Image removed. Some users may find it offensive and inappropriate. SSBB FC: ????-????-???? (New Wii, so I gotta check) Gamertag: T3kNi9e Been playing alot of WarCraft III lately, anyone up for game? Just message me, my account is the same as here and GT.

01-03-2008, 08:23 PM	#4
Dbomb3 wiiwii Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San jose Posts: 501 Friends: 2 6089-6603-3065-9651	i read that whole article, and i completely agree with it. if nintendo would just listen to these people (and everyone else) the wii would beextremely succesful. even more then it is now. and i heard somewhere that nintendo told the 3rd party companies to get better. __________________

01-03-2008, 08:44 PM	#7
T3kNi9e Conquistador Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 2,233 Friends: 2	Actually, im not exactly sure. But when you see commercials they're usually followed by Playstation 3 or Xbox 360, so im guessing Microsoft/Sony does it themselves. While possible some bigger publishing companies do some themselves like EA and 2k. All I know is that when Xbox 360 gets an exclusive 3rd party game like Bioshock, its advertised everywhere. But when Wii gets one, you dont see it. So im guessing its on the console's company for the most part. But im pretty sure developers can't do it. Thats why they go to publishers for funding to make the game. No More Hereos is published by Ubisoft which is a pretty succussful company so im guessing they're able to do their own commercials. But I think Nintendo is supposed to help. __________________ Mod Edit: Image removed. Some users may find it offensive and inappropriate. SSBB FC: ????-????-???? (New Wii, so I gotta check) Gamertag: T3kNi9e Been playing alot of WarCraft III lately, anyone up for game? Just message me, my account is the same as here and GT.

01-04-2008, 01:34 AM	#9
T3kNi9e Conquistador Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 2,233 Friends: 2	I dont think GH3 really counts. Its not childish, but anyone can play it. Even casual gamers and kids. __________________ Mod Edit: Image removed. Some users may find it offensive and inappropriate. SSBB FC: ????-????-???? (New Wii, so I gotta check) Gamertag: T3kNi9e Been playing alot of WarCraft III lately, anyone up for game? Just message me, my account is the same as here and GT.

01-04-2008, 05:34 AM	#10
jimbo wii are cool!!!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: glasgow,scotland Posts: 512 Friends: 0	^ is that not what the wii is aimed at.(causal gamers) agree with all of it exept part 5.honestly were did that come from. i can rememer red steel being advertised but apart from that only 2 or 3 other non nintendo games __________________ wii game playing: GH3 wii friend code:1778 9634 2151 5464 gh3 code:502628796471


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01-03-2008, 08:22 PM	#3
zap'em up WiiChat Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 274 Friends: 0	perhaps nintendo already knows these things nd they are working online....nd maybe they've talked to 3rd party developers nd told them to stop making crap.

01-03-2008, 08:32 PM	#6
zap'em up WiiChat Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 274 Friends: 0	well shouldnt it be the company that makes the game that advertises it i mean if they want more game sales tehy should advertise shure nintendo can do it but if it's not their game they dont actually have to...i say its the producers/company fault for not advertising

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iojpoutn WiiChat Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13 Friends: 0	I agree about the lack of advertising. If I didn't actively hunt down information at IGN and forums like this, I wouldn't know anything about what games were coming out for the Wii. I think Guitar Hero III may help with the 3rd party support situation. They proved that a non-childish game can be successful on the Wii. If No More Heroes also does well, I think we'll be seeing a lot more Wii exclusives.

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Wiimoto Sonic + Brawl = Ownage Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 232 Friends: 0	I dunno, all I see for advertisment is these two guys going to random peoples houses and knocking on doors and they randomly start playing wii. "Wii would like to play" But I agree with the article/blog and I hope nintendo takes those steps to make their console better. __________________ Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Warioware Smooth Moves, Guitar Hero III Legends of Rock, Super Paper Mario, Wii Play, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz -=Join the NEW Sonic Fan Club, PM FLYNNN=-

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