We've been gipped: The Force Unleashed falls short

linuxghost · 04-13-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nihilism

What's equally moronic is speculation on the controls to a game which you have never played.

That too.

linuxghost · 04-13-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Whatever your precious opinion on the motion controls (or lack thereof) in this game, it still doesn't negate the fact that I for one have decided not to bother with the game because of this.

In addition to that, I'd like to point out that not once have I actually 'slandered' or said anything negative about this game you hold so dearly (get a life?), as can be evidenced by glancing through my previous posts in this thread. At most, I had agreed to the opinion that I myself was not originally impressed - my own opinion - with the game, and that now, with a lack of controls that I had hoped to see, I would no longer be interested in it.

"Get a life?" We're all posting on a ****ing Wii forum, jackass. Clearly, none of us have lives.

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

You, on the other hand, have called people that write off this game for their own reasons 'morons, 'idiotic', and have generally held an entirely unconstructive tone. It's just a game. You don't have to run around on an online forum calling people names because they don't agree with you (again, get a life?).

Again, the entire point of an online forum is making a point, and critique of that point. Did you expect everyone to agree with you?

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Furthermore, I never once said the game would have poor or inadequate controls, I'm simply not planning on spending the $50 required to purchase the game. Just because a game may be well-designed, well-made, and overall a great game does not, in any way, make people who decide not to buy it 'idiots' or 'morons'. If you insist on that being true, however, then I will call you an idiot as well, because I'm sure there are plenty of great games out there that you don't own.

My point is that if the game is "well-designed, well-made, and overall a great game" and you STILL choose not to play it based on it not including one fairly SPECIFIC thing, then you're a moron. Would you not have originally played your favorite game of all time if, say, the controls mapped to the A and B buttons were reversed? It makes no ****ing difference what the control scheme is; a great game is a great game, period.

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Oh, and as a final note, do you actually spend money on things that you don't want or need? I asked that in an earlier post and you never answered. =(

I'm American.

Nihilism · 04-13-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomheart

And? That's one game. It's been almost a year and a half, and there have only been a small handful of games worth owning, all of which have been from Nintendo. To top it off, there is literally nothing on the horizon, aside from some vague surprise games this fall/winter (again, from Nintendo). Compare that to just about any other console (particularly the two Xboxs). Are we still going to be citing SMG three years from now everytime the Wii gets criticized?

Besides, that's not true anyway. Didn't Zelda: Ocarina of Time get a perfect score?

And how many good 360 exclusive games are coming out in the next year? Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2 and Fable 2 are all I can think of. Wii, on the other hand, gets everything Nintendo makes all to itself. And then some.

Atomheart · 04-13-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hencam[uk]

Just wanted to point out that it didn't have ALL crap games (just it's fair share!)

Anyway, there are plenty of decent games on the horizon and that's not counting Mario Kart, Wii Fit and SSBB - the Wii has the best PES version (ever so far) and hopefully that trend will continue.

To dismiss it against the xbox by saying "all wii games are and will be crap" makes someone sound like an xbox fanboy who's pissed that the Wii has been so successful...

Mario Kart is about all there is on the horizon. SSBB is out, Wii Fit is a joke, and no one cares about soccer. The Wii has a handful of great first party titles (and a few decent third party titles) with basically nothing on the horizon. Period. Compare that to what the two Xbox consoles and the PS2 had in the same time period, and it's easy to see how much of a joke the Wii has been game wise, so far.

Atomheart · 04-13-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nihilism

And how many good 360 exclusive games are coming out in the next year? Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2 and Fable 2 are all I can think of. Wii, on the other hand, gets everything Nintendo makes all to itself. And then some.

Who cares about exclusives? It's all about what the console has available to it, not what's exclusive to it. Factor in all of the future 360/PS3 titles (GTA IV...ahem), and the Wii looks like one of those video game controllers you plug into your TV by comparison.

Chewy · 04-13-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by linuxghost

My point is that if the game is "well-designed, well-made, and overall a great game" and you STILL choose not to play it based on it not including one fairly SPECIFIC thing, then you're a moron. Would you not have originally played your favorite game of all time if, say, the controls mapped to the A and B buttons were reversed? It makes no ****ing difference what the control scheme is; a great game is a great game, period.

Control scheme is a big deal, I mean it is how you play the game and all.
What if the game consisted of pressing A to swing your lightsaber in any random direction and B to do any random force attack?

EffeKt · 04-13-2008, 04:58 PM

why are you even here if the wii is a joke to you?

Nihilism · 04-13-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomheart

Who cares about exclusives? It's all about what the console has available to it, not what's exclusive to it. Factor in all of the future 360/PS3 titles (GTA IV...ahem), and the Wii looks like one of those video game controllers you plug into your TV by comparison.

Ha ha--No, it's all about what the console has available to it that other consoles don't have by comparison. Don't you get it? PS3 and 360 sharing titles splits their consumers in two. If another company released a console identical to the PS3 and 360, then Microsoft and Sony's profits would lose out while Nintendo's would remain the same because they have something different.

CocoSSBB · 04-13-2008, 05:51 PM

Exclusives DO matter, because if every console has a game, then nobody gains any ground on anyone else. That's why CoD 4 is null in the PS3/360 argument.

Nihilism · 04-13-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CocoSSBB

Exclusives DO matter, because if every console has a game, then nobody gains any ground on anyone else. That's why CoD 4 is null in the PS3/360 argument.

Most of 360's and PS3's titles are null in an argument over which is better. People are only going to buy one or the other to play the same games. But because the Wii is less costly and has its many exclusive games, people are going to have a Wii sitting next to their 360 or PS3, just as Nintendo intended. Nintendo is having a laugh at Microsoft and Sony sharing titles.

AoWFraggit · 04-13-2008, 06:11 PM

hmm, since this game has little to no hope of providing any type of online play, it had better be worth all the hype.

i could care less about graphics, but i want a nice LONG game that DOESN'T seem like a chore to complete.

raisinghelen · 04-13-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomheart

Mario Kart is about all there is on the horizon. SSBB is out, Wii Fit is a joke, and no one cares about soccer. The Wii has a handful of great first party titles (and a few decent third party titles) with basically nothing on the horizon. Period. Compare that to what the two Xbox consoles and the PS2 had in the same time period, and it's easy to see how much of a joke the Wii has been game wise, so far.

You have a twisted view of reality. Soccer is the most played sport in the world by the way so you are actually in a minority. As for games what did the Xbox (or 360) have in the same time frame? Xbox had what? Halo? 360 took almost a year to get one decent game (GOW). As for PS2, well this is how the press (taken from Eurogamer) remembered it's first year. I guess they don't have the same rose tinted glasses that you do..

Were it any other console, the PlayStation 2 might never have gotten off the ground. To put it bluntly, she had a less than stellar launch line-up, with disappointing sequels like Ridge Racer V and Tekken Tag Tournament joined by the likes of gimmicky puzzler Fantavision and a number of unremarkable sports titles. Amongst this crowd of also-rans a handful of titles stood out - TimeSplitters from Eidos, Dynasty Warriors 2 from Koei, Midnight Club and Smuggler's Run from Take 2, and SSX from EA's 'Big' label. But although they were critically acclaimed, these were not killer apps. This was a console unlike any other, and it would persist in selling off its predecessor's reputation for the rest of its launch year. By the end of 2000, Sony had shipped some 110,000 units in the UK and a larger number across Europe as a whole. New releases on the console included Dead or Alive 2 - arguably inferior to its 'Hardcore' Dreamcast sibling - and even more worthless sports remakes. The first few months of the PlayStation 2's life were tumultuous to say the least, filled with inexplicably large sales figures on the hardware side and fewer units on the software side. While the press ripped the console to shreds, it continued to sell despite the relative lack of quality games and a price point of £299.99.

The Wii has had a better line up than all those consoles in the same time frame with big titles like SMG, MP3, SSBB, SPM, Zelda TP and some decent 3rd party games too. This month sees Mario Kart and Okami released, both high quality games. It's getting to the point were there are too many good games out to buy and i hope that Okami dosen't get overlooked because of this.

Anyway this is all going offtopic, Force Unleashed will be great, don't buy it though, go buy Carnival Games 2 or something so you can keep complaining about poor Wii games.

AutumnWind · 04-13-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by linuxghost

"Get a life?" We're all posting on a ****ing Wii forum, jackass. Clearly, none of us have lives.

Again, the entire point of an online forum is making a point, and critique of that point. Did you expect everyone to agree with you?

My point is that if the game is "well-designed, well-made, and overall a great game" and you STILL choose not to play it based on it not including one fairly SPECIFIC thing, then you're a moron. Would you not have originally played your favorite game of all time if, say, the controls mapped to the A and B buttons were reversed? It makes no ****ing difference what the control scheme is; a great game is a great game, period.

I'm American.

Sigh. So, let me get this straight. You obviously do buy things that you don't need because you're American. Ok, fine, I don't see how that makes you any less stupid if you do buy useless things. You didn't answer my question as to whether or not you own ALL the most highly rated games in history. Because according to your reasoning, if a game is well-designed, well-made, and overall a great game, then you should be stupid not to play it based on one thing you didn't like about it. Given that there are literally thousands of great games fitting this criteria, I assume that I can safely label you a moron as well.

Just because we're posting on an online forum does not make any of us losers with no lives. However, certain other things can point that way. I was specifically pointing to the fact that you immediately resort to name-calling and insults in your responses; the rest of us, for the most part, have been disagreeing quite civilly. You, on the other hand, have used words such as 'moron', 'idiotic', and 'jackass' whilst discussing no more than a video game on an online forum.

I know the point of a forum is to discuss and critique things. Obviously, we are doing that, and not once did I expect people to agree with me automatically. If that were so, then I ask you, why am I even arguing here? If I expected everyone to agree, I'd just say what I think, everyone would agree (or not, but since I expected them to agree, I wouldn't bother reading responses), and I wouldn't bother discussing anything anymore.

Puhleeze, man, I know you really like the game or whatever, but I think you're honestly getting too serious about defending something that's entirely up to each individual to make their own decision on. Just because there are people out there that aren't going to buy this game for their own reasons does not, by any way, make them 'morons'. If anything, you're the one that's expecting people to agree with you - if they don't, you insult them with petty name calling.

I also see you've dropped your 'slander' argument... what's the matter, was I right? =D

Atomheart · 04-13-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nihilism

Ha ha--No, it's all about what the console has available to it that other consoles don't have by comparison. Don't you get it? PS3 and 360 sharing titles splits their consumers in two. If another company released a console identical to the PS3 and 360, then Microsoft and Sony's profits would lose out while Nintendo's would remain the same because they have something different.

Whoopdidoo. What's that have to do with the consumer? In the end, all that matters is that there are more great games available on one console and not so much on another, regardless if any of the games are shared between two consoles. To the consumer, all they want are great games. Who cares if the games are shared between consoles? I don't know about you, but I'll take the console with 3 times as many great games, which happen to be on two consoles, over a console with a handful of great exclusive games.

So basically, it sums up to this:

360/PS3: **************************************** (great games, some of which are shared)

Wii: ************* (great games)

Atomheart · 04-13-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by raisinghelen

You have a twisted view of reality. Soccer is the most played sport in the world by the way so you are actually in a minority. As for games what did the Xbox (or 360) have in the same time frame? Xbox had what? Halo? 360 took almost a year to get one decent game (GOW). As for PS2, well this is how the press (taken from Eurogamer) remembered it's first year. I guess they don't have the same rose tinted glasses that you do..

Were it any other console, the PlayStation 2 might never have gotten off the ground. To put it bluntly, she had a less than stellar launch line-up, with disappointing sequels like Ridge Racer V and Tekken Tag Tournament joined by the likes of gimmicky puzzler Fantavision and a number of unremarkable sports titles. Amongst this crowd of also-rans a handful of titles stood out - TimeSplitters from Eidos, Dynasty Warriors 2 from Koei, Midnight Club and Smuggler's Run from Take 2, and SSX from EA's 'Big' label. But although they were critically acclaimed, these were not killer apps. This was a console unlike any other, and it would persist in selling off its predecessor's reputation for the rest of its launch year. By the end of 2000, Sony had shipped some 110,000 units in the UK and a larger number across Europe as a whole. New releases on the console included Dead or Alive 2 - arguably inferior to its 'Hardcore' Dreamcast sibling - and even more worthless sports remakes. The first few months of the PlayStation 2's life were tumultuous to say the least, filled with inexplicably large sales figures on the hardware side and fewer units on the software side. While the press ripped the console to shreds, it continued to sell despite the relative lack of quality games and a price point of £299.99.

The Wii has had a better line up than all those consoles in the same time frame with big titles like SMG, MP3, SSBB, SPM, Zelda TP and some decent 3rd party games too. This month sees Mario Kart and Okami released, both high quality games. It's getting to the point were there are too many good games out to buy and i hope that Okami dosen't get overlooked because of this.

Anyway this is all going offtopic, Force Unleashed will be great, don't buy it though, go buy Carnival Games 2 or something so you can keep complaining about poor Wii games.

Care to compare sales statistics between US/Japan (in which no one cares about soccer) and Europe? LOL!

That synopsis from some joke of a website was referring to the launch line-up of the PS2. The PS2 was far ahead of the Wii in terms of quality titles in the same amount of time that the Wii has been out. The same goes for the Xbox and 360.

It's been a year and a half since launch, and the Wii is still in a game drought aside from a handful of great 1st party titles. Doesn't anyone remember the overall average game scores for Wii, 360, and PS3 games? Didn't the Wii basically have the lowest average game ratings of any console ever? LOL!

Nihilism · 04-13-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomheart

Whoopdidoo. What's that have to do with the consumer? In the end, all that matters is that there are more great games available on one console and not so much on another, regardless if any of the games are shared between two consoles. To the consumer, all they want are great games. Who cares if the games are shared between consoles? I don't know about you, but I'll take the console with 3 times as many great games, which happen to be on two consoles, over a console with a handful of great exclusive games.

So basically, it sums up to this:

360/PS3: **************************************** (great games, some of which are shared)

Wii: ************* (great games)

It has to do with the consumer because it is the consumer who says what comes out on top. If the consumer wants to play GTA IV, they can go out and buy either the 360 or the PS3. If the consumer wants to play Brawl, the only option is to buy a Wii. Nintendo's profits aren't threatened by another company having the same games as them. Furthermore, plenty of third party developers are making, and are going to continue to be making, Wii exclusive games because of the control scheme possibilities.