The Conduit - Official Thread

[vashivihan]

Originally Posted by CantGetAWii

With the news coming out around this game it's only a matter of time before the publisher is revealed.

This game just keeps getting better and better though everytime it gets written about or mentioned.

the thing thatll make it the complete package will be DLC imo.

[DaRkDiAbLo]

Originally Posted by vashivihan

the thing thatll make it the complete package will be DLC imo.

DLC imo?? huh?

[sremick]

Originally Posted by vashivihan

haha thats what i meant by those things around the word HD. (forgot what they are called.) thx for correcting me

Actually, to be technical, 480p is still standard-definition. It just so happens that most peoples' TVs haven't supported it.

It's still the standard 480-lines of resolution ("definition") present in the "standard definition" specifications, which also specifically mention 480p. Just because most people haven't experienced 480p until they got a 720p or 1080p "HD" television doesn't make 480p not "standard-definition". It is.

"Enhanced definition" is sort of this weird makeshift term that was invented after the fact to try and help distinguish, but it only really adds to the confusion really. 480p is SD, it's just that your 480i TV doesn't support it. There are plenty of 480p TVs that have over the years, long before HD existed.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by DaRkDiAbLo

DLC imo?? huh?

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[thas]

Originally Posted by sremick

Actually, to be technical, 480p is still standard-definition. It just so happens that most peoples' TVs haven't supported it.

It's still the standard 480-lines of resolution ("definition") present in the "standard definition" specifications, which also specifically mention 480p. Just because most people haven't experienced 480p until they got a 720p or 1080p "HD" television doesn't make 480p not "standard-definition". It is.

"Enhanced definition" is sort of this weird makeshift term that was invented after the fact to try and help distinguish, but it only really adds to the confusion really. 480p is SD, it's just that your 480i TV doesn't support it. There are plenty of 480p TVs that have over the years, long before HD existed.

I don't know about USA, but here in Canada, you can't buy a 480i or 480p television anymore. So shouldn't today's standard be 720i?

[bradleyd]

Originally Posted by sremick

Actually, to be technical, 480p is still standard-definition. It just so happens that most peoples' TVs haven't supported it.

It's still the standard 480-lines of resolution ("definition") present in the "standard definition" specifications, which also specifically mention 480p. Just because most people haven't experienced 480p until they got a 720p or 1080p "HD" television doesn't make 480p not "standard-definition". It is.

"Enhanced definition" is sort of this weird makeshift term that was invented after the fact to try and help distinguish, but it only really adds to the confusion really. 480p is SD, it's just that your 480i TV doesn't support it. There are plenty of 480p TVs that have over the years, long before HD existed.

sremick is just about correct. The only defining factor between ED 480i/p is that it is a widescreen format. Standard definition is 640 x 480 (4:3 screen format) where as ED (or 480 i/p) is 852 x 480 (16:9 format). The pixel height remains the same, but the screen is wider. The i and p only refer to how the picture is drawn on the screen (interlaced and progressive). Interlaced is more common for HD television broadcasting at the moment, but progressive makes for a slightly better picture (less blurring and artifacts during fast motion, and progressive has no problems displaying an interlaced input, and actually improves it somewhat). The 480 ED is a result of widescreen CRT displays from the time before LCD became the common screen.

I'll go a little bit further here now too just for the heck of it.
Progressive vs. Interlaced
(this is copied from an article here http://desktop.thomsongrassvalley.co...interlaced.php)

Progressive scan video is scanned from side to side, top to bottom: line 1, line 2, line 3 etc, up to the end of the frame. It's as simple as that. In fact, it's exactly how you'd expect video to be scanned if you didn't know any better!

Interlaced video is scanned from side to side, top to bottom, as well. The difference is that every 60th of a second, every other line making up the complete frame is scanned. Then, a 60th of a second later, the lines in-between the lines that have already appeared are scanned. Effectively, half the picture's vertical resolution is sent in the first 60th of a second, and the second half is sent in the second 60th of a second. When the video is played back, the whole thing happens in reverse, giving the appearance of a complete frame. Each of these "halves" of a frame is called a "field."

The effect to the viewer is quite distinct. First, the image doesn't flicker as much as it would if it was a simple 30 FPS progressive scan. This is because, to the viewer, it looks as if they are seeing 60 frames per second. Of course, what they are actually seeing is 60 fields per second; but for flicker reduction, the effect is the same as seeing 60 frames.

If you were to look at an interlaced picture on a screen for a 60th of a second, you'd only see half the vertical resolution — every other line. But, because our eyes and brains conveniently offer a "persistence" effect, when you look at the screen "normally," what you actually see is something approaching full resolution. Persistence allows us to accumulate visual data from the two distinct fields, making them seem like one complete image.

Disadvantages of Interlaced and Progressive
Interlaced video does have some disadvantages in comparison with progressive. It's prone to causing "artifacts", which look like a kind of "comb" effect, especially in slow motion or in still grabs from moving video. They are caused by the relative movement between two fields that make up a single frame. It's a fact of life, though, that 1080p, (1920 by 1080 progressive), which might appear to be the perfect format for high definition video, would generate too much data for current consumer technology, so we might have to wait a while for that.

(of course we are beginning to see 1080p appear now, not sure how old that article happens to be)

*Edit - just to reply to thas

Originally Posted by thas

I don't know about USA, but here in Canada, you can't buy a 480i or 480p television anymore. So shouldn't today's standard be 720i?

Not as long as CRT's are still being sold. I believe this is the reasoning Nintendo has given to keeping the Wii at 480 resolution, since not everyone has upgraded to LCD or Plasma displays that can support the higher resolutions. This reason allows the kids who's parents have bought small/cheap CRT tv's for them to use it with those tv's. Of course a few years on after Wii's release, these are slowly being replaced by small/cheap LCD screens, but tv's last years and it was a different situation at the time the Wii was planned and when it came out.

*Edit 2
Sorry for the long, off-topic post.

[vashivihan]

High Voltage: Wii the best platform for FPS games

Even though there are some stand-out FPS titles on the Wii, the release of such games are too few and far between. Metroid Prime 3 was essentially the stepping stone for FPS controls on Wii, followed by Medal of Honor: Heroes 2. What does High Voltage Software, creators of The Conduit think about FPS games on the Wii? Eric Nofsinger, in an interview with NintendoFIN, noted that Nintendo’s system is best for FPS titles. “Well, the Wii has the unique motion-sensitive controls that make it the best platform for FPS games; this means we have weapons and gameplay that makes use of motions and movements that other games cannot. We also have some interesting puzzle-solving going on with our All Seeing Eye (ASE) device that allows players to reveal invisible hazards, secrets, and enemies. And last, but not least, its NOT set during World War II.”

Nofsinger also revealed that The Conduit will not support split-screen multiplayer, although the development team is considering co-op options. Additionally, High Voltage Software is trying to decide whether to put Animales de la Muerte up as a full retail release.

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agree with eric on the basis of the controls. they are the best in all 3 consoles for FPS. also, good to hear about co-op

[thas]

Originally Posted by bradleyd

*Edit - just to reply to thas


Not as long as CRT's are still being sold. I believe this is the reasoning Nintendo has given to keeping the Wii at 480 resolution, since not everyone has upgraded to LCD or Plasma displays that can support the higher resolutions. This reason allows the kids who's parents have bought small/cheap CRT tv's for them to use it with those tv's. Of course a few years on after Wii's release, these are slowly being replaced by small/cheap LCD screens, but tv's last years and it was a different situation at the time the Wii was planned and when it came out.

*Edit 2
Sorry for the long, off-topic post.

CRTs are no longer sold in Canada. It is all plasma and LCD and that other new one that is coming out.

Splitscreen confirmed!!

[vashivihan]

Originally Posted by thas

CRTs are no longer sold in Canada. It is all plasma and LCD and that other new one that is coming out.

Splitscreen confirmed!!

no........

they said co-op wether it be split screen or online.....

[bradleyd]

Originally Posted by thas

CRTs are no longer sold in Canada. It is all plasma and LCD and that other new one that is coming out.

I hate to burst your bubble, but you are mistaken. CRT's are still being sold here. Futureshop, Bestbuy and the like and higher end audio/video stores no longer carry them, but they are most certainly still offered elsewhere.

http://walmart.ca/wps-portal/storelo...epartmentId=63

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/su...freshPage=true

http://www.sears.ca/gp/node/n/396523...7238011&page=1

A lot of people just don't see the point in paying the extra for an LCD. A 27" CRT can be had for around 200 dollars, as opposed to around 500 dollars for a comparable sized LCD.

[sremick]

Originally Posted by bradleyd

A lot of people just don't see the point in paying the extra for an LCD. A 27" CRT can be had for around 200 dollars, as opposed to around 500 dollars for a comparable sized LCD.

Not sure about the currency conversion, but you can get 27" LCD for under $300 US easily.

[bradleyd]

Originally Posted by sremick

Not sure about the currency conversion, but you can get 27" LCD for under $300 US easily.

Currency conversion is pretty close to even these days, I believe CAD is a few cents lower than USD ($1 CAD = $0.95 USD), but that's besides the point.
I just did a bunch of browsing on US sites (Bestbuy, Walmart, Target, Newegg, so I covered the bases as far a pricing ranges go) and I was hard pressed to find a 22" LCD under the $300 mark (but there are a few). 26"/27" LCD's are all around the $500 mark. Now you may be able to find a walk-in price at a discount store of some kind, or a sale price on an older model, that's fair enough, but typical pricing is close to what I've stated.

But that is besides my point anyway. Fact is that CRT's are still made/sold. CRT's are cheaper than comparable sized LCD's. People are still buying CRT's. This was even more so true when the Wii was developed and released, which was Nintendo's apparent reasoning for only supporting 480 resolutions.

Now then, enough talk about that, been offtopic too long now.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by sremick

Not sure about the currency conversion, but you can get 27" LCD for under $300 US easily.

What!? Where? I haven't seen prices anywhere near that for an LCD that size.

[Caliko]

To add to the HD chat(and confusion) if you can find an HD CRT GRAB IT! The picture quality is far superior to almost any LCD in the market ever.

CRT technology still provides the best picture quality, laser TV is suppose to beat it, but they are only launching 60+ inch models which is too much for me.

[thas]

Originally Posted by bradleyd

I hate to burst your bubble, but you are mistaken. CRT's are still being sold here. Futureshop, Bestbuy and the like and higher end audio/video stores no longer carry them, but they are most certainly still offered elsewhere.

http://walmart.ca/wps-portal/storelo...epartmentId=63

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/su...freshPage=true

http://www.sears.ca/gp/node/n/396523...7238011&page=1

A lot of people just don't see the point in paying the extra for an LCD. A 27" CRT can be had for around 200 dollars, as opposed to around 500 dollars for a comparable sized LCD.

As far as Ontario goes, there are no retailers that sell new CRT televisions. Also the Canadian dollar dropped a lot in the past week. We are at about $1CAN= 94 cents US. I hate to say this but Canada gets a economic boost when oil and gas prices go up.

[bradleyd]

Originally Posted by thas

As far as Ontario goes, there are no retailers that sell new CRT televisions. Also the Canadian dollar dropped a lot in the past week. We are at about $1CAN= 94 cents US. I hate to say this but Canada gets a economic boost when oil and gas prices go up.

I highly suggest you do some research before you trumpet your assumptions.
Also, I did correctly state that $1 CAD is approximately $0.95 USD.