Should We Pay for Online???

Bob#4 · 04-24-2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wezeles

Yes but they also released a new compression setup and..

And that's why I think Nintendo is full of retards. They're actively avoiding solving the memory problem. They would rather develop an entirely new memory compression system and do all this pain-in-the-ass coding to keep files small instead of simply releasing a hard drive for the console.

Nintendo doesn't just fail with their online.

wezeles · 04-24-2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob#4

And that's why I think Nintendo is full of retards. They're actively avoiding solving the memory problem. They would rather develop an entirely new memory compression system and do all this pain-in-the-ass coding to keep files small instead of simply releasing a hard drive for the console.

Nintendo doesn't just fail with their online.

Nintendo has always been this way, It has more to do with them worried about piracy than anything else. Look at all their other systems, most were near impossibal to crack and if you did you got sued quicker than shit.
I think they invest far to much money trying to make sure they don't lose any money. In the end really how much better off can they be? Before they could get by using unique setups like mini dvd before it was popular, or cartridge games, and only worry about 3rd party getting into it.

Still GC disk were near impossibal to hack compared to the ps2/xbox counter parts and in the end cost and time wise it wasn't worth it to bootleg a GC disk, but they incested alot of time and money and in the end gave the consumer a headache with less storage space for games.

Now with systems with DLC its going to give everyone much eiasier access to be able to hack and hombrew on the systems. Still with the constant online updates and system updates done with just about every new Nintendo publsihed game they would be much wiser to hit the problems as they come instead of before and make the money now.
Instead they lose out on possibal profits now while also spending what profits they do have trying to make sure they keep them. Messed up buisness strategy, I have never liked their approach on that end.

JCpackers05 · 04-24-2008, 01:38 AM

i would not pay for online Wii even if it was better or more like Xbox simply because there arent enough quality online games. Like i could play NHL, COD, Halo. or any other 360 game for hours simply because i love the online, and the fact that i could talk to one of my friends while im playing so i dont go insane. Brawl sucks online cause theres only 2 min free for all. i mean come on! no variety at all. Mario Kart is supposedly amazing. but to pay for online for really only 1 game id enjoy wouldnt cut it for me. Not to mention the fact that the online for Mario Kart is already free. and im not gonna pay solely for voice chat for the Wii. thats just retarded, and im probably never gonna get any DLC soooo pointless again. i like my online services free. even if they do suck.

Marty · 04-26-2008, 07:33 AM

Hey I reckon Nintendo's online is good as it is. Why pay?

Quagga · 04-26-2008, 11:32 AM

It must be your connection - I have no problem with Nintendo's servers.
I think it's great that they're not doing what the other companies are doing, and that they're allowing us to play for free.

Carlisle · 05-02-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Quagga

It must be your connection - I have no problem with Nintendo's servers.
I think it's great that they're not doing what the other companies are doing, and that they're allowing us to play for free.

is a double edged-sword.

During the brawl hype, nintendo servers were overloaded, there was ALWAYS lag no matter the connection at both ends. Plus online random matches would never work.

Its getting better though, they are either updating or less people are playing.

SpeedyG · 05-04-2008, 01:27 PM

I've never had any problems with the Wii online. Works great Imho, lagless, fast and most wii games are 3+ rated. Any more advanced ways of communicating and it would sway their parents away from letting them race people online.
If it was pay to play. I wouldn't play. Simple.

Zenoguy · 05-04-2008, 04:36 PM

No, It should just get better internet but still be free. No FC's would be good.

Wiinter · 05-04-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyG

I've never had any problems with the Wii online. Works great Imho, lagless, fast and most wii games are 3+ rated. Any more advanced ways of communicating and it would sway their parents away from letting them race people online.
If it was pay to play. I wouldn't play. Simple.

3+ on a scale of 10? Yeah, that does sounds about right.

Comm is coming. So is pay to play, though I imagine it'll be pretty limited. So be prepared to not play.

Wiinter · 05-04-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sremick

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We also have no clue if they plan on adding a hard drive

Actually, Nintendo has said they won't.

They did say that, over and over, but recent news has Iwata considering a real storage solution. No word on what it is, or when, but they've finally caved to doing something because even though we (core gamers) are a small portion of their consumers, we are the most avid players.

Nintendo looking into storage

wezeles · 05-04-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiinter

3+ on a scale of 10? Yeah, that does sounds about right.

Comm is coming. So is pay to play, though I imagine it'll be pretty limited. So be prepared to not play.

PaytoPlay is not for the online service itself, go read the acctual press release from Nintendo and you can see that. The online gameplay itself will most likely always be free on Nintendo's end.

Pay to Play is for extra content like DLC songs,levels, characters ect which you have to pay for on any console on the market..
There is also the possablility of a charge for voice chat in the future, although voice on DS is free so most likely it will be free aswell on the Wii.

Wiinter · 05-04-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wezeles

PaytoPlay is not for the online service itself, go read the acctual press release from Nintendo and you can see that. The online gameplay itself will most likely always be free on Nintendo's end.

Pay to Play is for extra content like DLC songs,levels, characters ect which you have to pay for on any console on the market..
There is also the possablility of a charge for voice chat in the future, although voice on DS is free so most likely it will be free aswell on the Wii.

As a matter of fact, we don't know what Pay and Play will consist of. You're basically making up crap.

NWFC itself will always be free, and games only bearing that logo will be all free. But games bearing the new pay and play logos in addition to the blue NWFC will have charges that no one has laid out yet. Subscription fees for any online activity at all has not been ruled out yet.

Premium features like DLC may be more likely to get charged for, and may make more business sense (give away the razor, sell the blades), but Nintendo hasn't laid out what will be allowed and what won't yet. So don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

wezeles · 05-04-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiinter

As a matter of fact, we don't know what Pay and Play will consist of. You're basically making up crap.

NWFC itself will always be free, and games only bearing that logo will be all free. But games bearing the new pay and play logos in addition to the blue NWFC will have charges that no one has laid out yet. Subscription fees for any online activity at all has not been ruled out yet.

Premium features like DLC may be more likely to get charged for, and may make more business sense (give away the razor, sell the blades), but Nintendo hasn't laid out what will be allowed and what won't yet. So don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

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Originally Posted by Nintendo's Takashi Aoyama

announced a new Pay to Play program. This will be a new version of the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection (NWFC). Aoyama explained that NWFC will remain a free service, but forthcoming experiences will require users to pay a fee to enjoy. These services will fall under the new NWFC: Pay to Play program. Games that utilize the new service will feature a logo similar to the one used for NWFC but is orange and reads Pay to Play at the bottom.

He did say Nintendo is taking steps to ensure consumers don't mistakenly buy a Pay to Play game with the expectation that they will be able to access the entire game for no extra charge

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Originally Posted by Nintendo's Takashi Aoyama

announced a new expansion to Nintendo's Wi-Fi services called Wii Pay & Play. Aoyama explained that Nintendo will begin "collecting fees for some services that will allow us to adapt flexibly." In other words, by subsidizing additional, unnamed service and feature costs to consumers, Nintendo feels they can explore new concepts and channels.

He added that it was a Nintendo initiative to avoid misleading consumers into thinking they can buy games that can be played entirely free when they cannot. To aid in a clear cost presentation, the blue WFC logo will be joined with a similar red logo featuring the line "Pay & Play.

Making it up? Not sure about you but so far its been pretty straight forward what its about. Then again reading isn't for everyone I guess.

They have been straight forward about it since day one, what it is what its about, just not so much what all is included in it just that its for addition features, and not the online play itself. All online games will continue to bear the NWFC logo and if they have pay to play features it will also be on the case to inform you some additional features will have to be paid for, but not the online service itself.

We have some people,gaming sites,critics saying they are charging for online in the future. When its been stated from Nintendo that that is not going to happen at all. Don't go based on what other people say about Nintendo, Go with what Nintendo says, best source for the truth when it comes to nintendo products, atleast that would make a little sence.

Wiinter · 05-05-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wezeles

Making it up? Not sure about you but so far its been pretty straight forward what its about. Then again reading isn't for everyone I guess.

They have been straight forward about it since day one, what it is what its about, just not so much what all is included in it just that its for addition features, and not the online play itself. All online games will continue to bear the NWFC logo and if they have pay to play features it will also be on the case to inform you some additional features will have to be paid for, but not the online service itself.

We have some people,gaming sites,critics saying they are charging for online in the future. When its been stated from Nintendo that that is not going to happen at all. Don't go based on what other people say about Nintendo, Go with what Nintendo says, best source for the truth when it comes to nintendo products, atleast that would make a little sence.

What you quoted doesn't preclude subscription fees on any game that has the pay and play logo. You're just not smart enough to know that.

What you quoted is also exactly what I wrote. You just aren't reading very closely.

wezeles · 05-05-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiinter

What you quoted doesn't preclude subscription fees on any game that has the pay and play logo. You're just not smart enough to know that.

What you quoted is also exactly what I wrote. You just aren't reading very closely.

Subscription fee's for what? The online service itself? So they will keep NWFC free but once you get connected it says stop go no further to you pay? Get a clue.
It's stated clearly that the NWFC will remain a free service!

Now granted they might have recurring fees for other services like voice chat, elite membership, or something of the sort, but the basic online game play will remain free as stated.

The argument was not that we will get charge for some things in the future, thats pretty obvious otherwise they would have never announced pay to play. The argument is that you don't have to pay for the online service itself. And based on everything comming from Nintendo's end this is true, you only pay for unnamed additional services.

Quit trying to scare people just because you can't seem to understand or believe what they say to be true about their own service, or think there is some fine print that we are missing.

Wiinter · 05-05-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wezeles

Subscription fee's for what? The online service itself? So they will keep NWFC free but once you get connected it says stop go no further to you pay? Get a clue.
It's stated clearly that the NWFC will remain a free service!

It's clearly stated that anything without the Pay and Play sticker will remain free. Everything else is left purposefully ambiguous because Nintendo needs some flexibility to build their new system.

No one's trying to "scare" anyone. At some point, they'll release actual details, and they may well indicate that there will never be a subscription based game. Or not.

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This will be a new version of the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection (NWFC). Aoyama explained that NWFC will remain a free service, but forthcoming experiences will require users to pay a fee to enjoy.

There's nothing in there that says a particular game wouldn't be entirely subscription based. Just that anytime there's no Pay and Play sticker, you don't have to worry about charges.

wezeles · 05-06-2008, 02:06 AM

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the blue WFC logo will be joined with a similar red logo featuring the line "Pay & Play.

They are not two different programs they are the same thing P2P is additional serivces to the NWFC program we currently have for free.

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Aoyama explained that NWFC will remain a free service, but forthcoming experiences will require users to pay a fee to enjoy.

forthcoming:being about to appear or to be produced or made available

So in other words they don't offer this service yet so charging for the the service we already have would not fall into a forthcomming experience.

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"collecting fees for some services that will allow us to adapt flexibly." In other words, by subsidizing additional, unnamed service and feature costs to consumers, Nintendo feels they can explore new concepts and channels.

I don't see where your not grasping the concept of this. All online games will continue to be NWFC games, and the online service will continue to be free. Some NWFC games will also be Pay to Play games which will charge for additional services whatever they may be. Granted they might charge for a premium online service but the NWFC free service will always be there based on current statement. Not exactly sure how you think the online itself could ever HAVE to be paid for in the future based on what they have announced. There is no way to even interperate it that way as of yet.