Think We Can Put Roms Onto Virtual Console?

White-Wolf · 10-10-2006, 03:37 AM

Does anyone else see 24 connect as alittle "big brother" ish? I don’t know if I want Nintendo peeking at what games i play when, or what i even do to my wii. You can bet I will be one of the first to disable this option, whether its possible with the shipped os, or if I have to change the os, and thus giving up online play. A machine that thinks while it’s turned off is not something that makes my jump up for joy. Its frightening. Outright freighting.

Don’t get me wrong, the wii sounds awesome, but I hope Nintendo isn’t doing data collecting with this 24 connect. I would be very displeased.

You may wonder why I’m paranoid, but ask yourself, if your console is connected 24 hours a day, what’s stopping them? I for one am going to be very carefull setting up my wii’s connection to the internet.

Although, the gamecube was hacked, without any hardware mods too. The Game cube had the problem of a slow Ethernet connection, but with the wii, it would have to be at least 100mb or maybe even 1000mb, and thus the problems with the gc hacks is no longer a issue.

Flip · 10-10-2006, 03:44 AM

I would care about them data collecting. But honestly, I just wonder why they would want to see what my Mii looks like. Or what VC games I play.

If it furthers my online gaming, and overall online experience, then more power to them.

White-Wolf · 10-10-2006, 04:14 AM

well lets assume they know everything you do on your wii. Well from the data they should be able to know your gaming habits, what games you play, how long you play them, who you talk to on the wii, and while they really couldn’t get any real info on you... Games were, it my view the last refuge of technology. The computer watches ever thing you do via spywere and cookies, and many other techniecs. Amazon predicts what you would want to buy, netflex makes suggestions on movies... I assume that could be incorporated into the wii. Will the wii start suggesting what games i should play when? Its only a matter of time before my fridge is telling me wha ti should eat.

I play games to escape this world of prying eyes, if i new Nintendo was recording when i play games, i would feel vary violated. Now this may not be the case with 24connect, but even the name 24 connect is alittle disturbing. Why does it need to be always on? for updates? how big could this updates really be?, it doesn’t even have a hardrive so the download times are not that long... so i do wonder what the deal is with 24 connect?

Now it may be nothing, and just me being a nut, but think about it... why does the wii need to connect to the internet24 hours a day? Their answer don’t add up.

That said im not saying dont get a wii, because i am getting a wii, but im not letting that thing near my internet until i know what Nintendo and 24 connect really is.

Well at the last moment something poped into my head, and its alittle far fetched but... possible. My wii would connect to my router right? My computer is connected to my router... anyone think it could read things off my computer and send it to Nintendo somehow? I mean it dose seem possible, but it doesn’t seem like something Nintendo would really do. but 24connect? what’s really behind that? Why does it need to be connected when its turned off? I don’t think they ever gave a good awnser to that.

Flip · 10-10-2006, 05:03 AM

WiiConnect 24 is always on for updates. I'll give you an example of what makes it better:

Without WiiConnect24:
You wake up in the morning. You turn on your Wii. You connect it to the internet. You wait for it to check for updates. There is an update available. You wait for it to download.

With WiiConnect24:
You wake up in the morning. You turn on your Wii. Your game is updated.

There is really no reason to worry about this system, as Nintendo of all companies would not be spying on you. If you've been reading up on the Wii, you'd know that the Wii records your play times for games, and other stats about your console habits. That's information for you to read.

I think you're really paranoid about nothing. I would enjoy my fridge telling me what, and when to eat. That would be great for people on diets, or people trying to eat right. If they can get the news to me faster, about games that I like to play, then I'm happy with what they're doing.

White-Wolf · 10-10-2006, 10:25 AM

so the tiny 4 meg update is done before i turn on the wii?, and yet, that 4 meg update was soo long to wait for on a 500 k connection.... thats the point. I know what nintendo says 24 connect is for, but becuse it dosnt have a hard drive, the updates will never be larger then a few megs. Even the zelda games on the 64 were only a 32 or so megs or so. In other words, thier is no need for updateing while its off becuse how long will the updates take? really no time at all. Unless nintendo is trying to save bandwidth to send you the update really slow, so they somehow save money themselves, but i can tell you this for sure, my 24 connect wont be on.

the moment my fridge tells me what to eat, is the moment i give over my free will over to big brother.

Icetrash · 10-10-2006, 10:48 AM

Well yeh Wiiconnect24 does sound like a hackers paradise since its turned on ALL the time and connected to your internet ALL the time. But i'd be more scared of hackers then nintendo spying on you. Plus there cant be that many updates Nintendo can send us via Wiiconnect24 is there?

Big_Mill · 10-10-2006, 12:51 PM

Christ White wolf I hope you never take drugs, next you'll be wrapping tin foil round your head telling us the aliens are reading your thoughts.

Seriously On the whole privacy thing Im pretty sure (Im no lawyer) that nintendo have to get written consent from you to do anything with data on your console (which I dont particulaly think they do), and in the world we are in today any violation of this would be found pretty quickly and Nintendo fined heavily

Also surely going online at any time makes you just as vulnerable to any kind of data misuse so the whole being online 24 hours is neither here nor there tbh.

Flip · 10-10-2006, 07:22 PM

Since the Wii architecture is completely different to that of a computer, a hacker wouldn't be able to do anything. Not to mention I'm sure that there will be some sort of protection built into the console to prevent this from happening. It's no different from leaving your Xbox 360 connected to Live all the time ( if you wanted to do that, you could ). I haven't heard anything about the Xbox or Xbox 360 being hacked while online, and they've had a year to work on hacking that. You're worrying about nothing.

Jenova · 10-10-2006, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flip

Since the Wii architecture is completely different to that of a computer, a hacker wouldn't be able to do anything. Not to mention I'm sure that there will be some sort of protection built into the console to prevent this from happening. It's no different from leaving your Xbox 360 connected to Live all the time ( if you wanted to do that, you could ). I haven't heard anything about the Xbox or Xbox 360 being hacked while online, and they've had a year to work on hacking that. You're worrying about nothing.

And even if somebody COULD hack the Wii, wouldn't it still be hard to actually do anything to it? Since the Wii has the same design layout as a Mac does, what if the same goes for how it operates, making it harder to hack? (If it is possible.)

Flip · 10-10-2006, 08:27 PM

The only similarity between the Wii and a Mac, is that it uses a PowerPC processor. I think the Xbox 360 and PS3 also use these in one way or another. But yes, even if it could be attacked by hackers via the internet, it would be very hard for them to do anything unless they understand the way the Wii works from a programming or developers standpoint.

pizzaluvr · 10-10-2006, 08:31 PM

there will be alot of hacks for it, because it has an sd slot, which you will be able to make a program that can flash a new [modified] OS

Flip · 10-10-2006, 08:49 PM

Not that kind of hack. We mean online hackers, that want to violate your privacy and destroy your console.

Of course there will be mod-chips and program hacks for it. I look forward to exploring those possibilities.

White-Wolf · 10-10-2006, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big_Mill

Christ White wolf I hope you never take drugs, next you'll be wrapping tin foil round your head telling us the aliens are reading your thoughts.

lol yeah, I already guessed that drugs would really do a number on me more so then someone else, thus i have stayed far away from them. I dont even use caffeen and try to minimize the pain meds when i can. hackers might be a problem, I am just going to play it safe and turn off 24 connect one way or another.

MrKlown · 10-10-2006, 09:13 PM

You said schozphrenic paranoid. Definitely don't suggest mushrooms lol. I think you are just worrying about it all too much. I won't have this luxury of 24/7 being I won't have my connected to the internet period.

Nintendoid · 10-11-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezekiel86

.....how can they justify charging money for these games? Technically can't do it if they don't hold the appropriate copyrights.

If I can't play my ROM stash on the Wii out of the box I'll be the first to download the adequate hax when they come out in order to do so.

Hey guys, I just thought i'd offer a bit of knowledge with regards to the copyright issue. This is common practice when it comes to companies using copyrighted material.

The third party developers have most likely licensed these games to nintendo (either recently, or nintendo may still have the license under a previous contract when they first published the game). This means that the developers have agreed to let nintendo use their games in exchange for a percentage of the sales. Which means the developers will be recieving their share of the money nintendo is making from the virtual console sales (if the company has merged or gone bankrupt, then either the merged company or the copyright holder will recieve the money).

So i'm sure we can look forward to many third party titles appearing on the virtual console. Hope this has helped a few people realise that nintendo will be paying the original developers/current copyright holders and are probably going to great lengths to find them in some cases. I personally am against hacking the wii to play unauthorized roms and am quite happy to pay and get the official VC titles.

Phew, sorry to go on a bit but it really annoys me when people try to make it seem like ripping people off is the right thing to do.

All the best

Nintendoid

Big_Mill · 10-12-2006, 04:54 PM

Hmmm I imagine Nintendo would of bought the rights to games produced by someone who has gone bankrupt, therefore negating the problem. A bit like the WWE and there Video library.

NeMeZyZ · 10-15-2006, 11:57 PM

they hacked the gba and ds OFCOURSE they can hack nintendo wii, hell, maing reason is the "external hardrive" support...that just makes it easier..i GUARANTEE we will see roms

White-Wolf · 10-16-2006, 01:46 AM

The fact that the wii as so many ways for a computer to communicate with it will make it easy to change.

We have Ethernet, programmable memories cards, and standard usb.

With an external hard drive, the wii has unlimited potential.

NeMeZyZ · 10-25-2006, 01:21 AM

good god i ca't wait to see things for the wiis

DragonWii · 10-25-2006, 06:51 AM

Even if wii gets hacked dont you think nintendo will find a patch for it and autoupdate our wii consoles so that it wont accept roms (providing if it does get hacked). Just like what happened to psp got hacked and they updated the software and who ever has updated wont be able to run homebrew programs. of course with updates they provide more exciting features.

10-10-2006, 03:37 AM	#21
White-Wolf WiiChat Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Friends: 0	Does anyone else see 24 connect as alittle "big brother" ish? I don’t know if I want Nintendo peeking at what games i play when, or what i even do to my wii. You can bet I will be one of the first to disable this option, whether its possible with the shipped os, or if I have to change the os, and thus giving up online play. A machine that thinks while it’s turned off is not something that makes my jump up for joy. Its frightening. Outright freighting. Don’t get me wrong, the wii sounds awesome, but I hope Nintendo isn’t doing data collecting with this 24 connect. I would be very displeased. You may wonder why I’m paranoid, but ask yourself, if your console is connected 24 hours a day, what’s stopping them? I for one am going to be very carefull setting up my wii’s connection to the internet. Although, the gamecube was hacked, without any hardware mods too. The Game cube had the problem of a slow Ethernet connection, but with the wii, it would have to be at least 100mb or maybe even 1000mb, and thus the problems with the gc hacks is no longer a issue. Last edited by White-Wolf; 10-10-2006 at 03:42 AM.

10-10-2006, 03:44 AM	#22
Flip WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 756 Friends: 0 6487-0727-1500-1514	I would care about them data collecting. But honestly, I just wonder why they would want to see what my Mii looks like. Or what VC games I play. If it furthers my online gaming, and overall online experience, then more power to them. __________________ *Image Removed By Moderator*

10-10-2006, 05:03 AM	#24
Flip WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 756 Friends: 0 6487-0727-1500-1514	WiiConnect 24 is always on for updates. I'll give you an example of what makes it better: Without WiiConnect24: You wake up in the morning. You turn on your Wii. You connect it to the internet. You wait for it to check for updates. There is an update available. You wait for it to download. With WiiConnect24: You wake up in the morning. You turn on your Wii. Your game is updated. There is really no reason to worry about this system, as Nintendo of all companies would not be spying on you. If you've been reading up on the Wii, you'd know that the Wii records your play times for games, and other stats about your console habits. That's information for you to read. I think you're really paranoid about nothing. I would enjoy my fridge telling me what, and when to eat. That would be great for people on diets, or people trying to eat right. If they can get the news to me faster, about games that I like to play, then I'm happy with what they're doing. __________________ *Image Removed By Moderator*

10-10-2006, 10:48 AM	#26
Icetrash King K.Rool Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 1,013 Friends: 0 4727-8101-2072-3014	Well yeh Wiiconnect24 does sound like a hackers paradise since its turned on ALL the time and connected to your internet ALL the time. But i'd be more scared of hackers then nintendo spying on you. Plus there cant be that many updates Nintendo can send us via Wiiconnect24 is there? __________________ Characters wanted for SSBB : King K.Rool, Lucario, Bubsy, Captain Olimar and Waluigi Clippers -- Buccaneers -- Ducks -- Devil Rays

10-10-2006, 07:22 PM	#28
Flip WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 756 Friends: 0 6487-0727-1500-1514	Since the Wii architecture is completely different to that of a computer, a hacker wouldn't be able to do anything. Not to mention I'm sure that there will be some sort of protection built into the console to prevent this from happening. It's no different from leaving your Xbox 360 connected to Live all the time ( if you wanted to do that, you could ). I haven't heard anything about the Xbox or Xbox 360 being hacked while online, and they've had a year to work on hacking that. You're worrying about nothing. __________________ *Image Removed By Moderator*


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10-10-2006, 04:14 AM	#23
White-Wolf WiiChat Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Friends: 0	well lets assume they know everything you do on your wii. Well from the data they should be able to know your gaming habits, what games you play, how long you play them, who you talk to on the wii, and while they really couldn’t get any real info on you... Games were, it my view the last refuge of technology. The computer watches ever thing you do via spywere and cookies, and many other techniecs. Amazon predicts what you would want to buy, netflex makes suggestions on movies... I assume that could be incorporated into the wii. Will the wii start suggesting what games i should play when? Its only a matter of time before my fridge is telling me wha ti should eat. I play games to escape this world of prying eyes, if i new Nintendo was recording when i play games, i would feel vary violated. Now this may not be the case with 24connect, but even the name 24 connect is alittle disturbing. Why does it need to be always on? for updates? how big could this updates really be?, it doesn’t even have a hardrive so the download times are not that long... so i do wonder what the deal is with 24 connect? Now it may be nothing, and just me being a nut, but think about it... why does the wii need to connect to the internet24 hours a day? Their answer don’t add up. That said im not saying dont get a wii, because i am getting a wii, but im not letting that thing near my internet until i know what Nintendo and 24 connect really is. Well at the last moment something poped into my head, and its alittle far fetched but... possible. My wii would connect to my router right? My computer is connected to my router... anyone think it could read things off my computer and send it to Nintendo somehow? I mean it dose seem possible, but it doesn’t seem like something Nintendo would really do. but 24connect? what’s really behind that? Why does it need to be connected when its turned off? I don’t think they ever gave a good awnser to that.

10-10-2006, 10:25 AM	#25
White-Wolf WiiChat Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Friends: 0	so the tiny 4 meg update is done before i turn on the wii?, and yet, that 4 meg update was soo long to wait for on a 500 k connection.... thats the point. I know what nintendo says 24 connect is for, but becuse it dosnt have a hard drive, the updates will never be larger then a few megs. Even the zelda games on the 64 were only a 32 or so megs or so. In other words, thier is no need for updateing while its off becuse how long will the updates take? really no time at all. Unless nintendo is trying to save bandwidth to send you the update really slow, so they somehow save money themselves, but i can tell you this for sure, my 24 connect wont be on. the moment my fridge tells me what to eat, is the moment i give over my free will over to big brother.

10-10-2006, 12:51 PM	#27
Big_Mill WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A land far far away... Or Blackpool (UK) Posts: 249 Friends: 0	Christ White wolf I hope you never take drugs, next you'll be wrapping tin foil round your head telling us the aliens are reading your thoughts. Seriously On the whole privacy thing Im pretty sure (Im no lawyer) that nintendo have to get written consent from you to do anything with data on your console (which I dont particulaly think they do), and in the world we are in today any violation of this would be found pretty quickly and Nintendo fined heavily Also surely going online at any time makes you just as vulnerable to any kind of data misuse so the whole being online 24 hours is neither here nor there tbh.

10-10-2006, 08:27 PM	#30
Flip WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 756 Friends: 0 6487-0727-1500-1514	The only similarity between the Wii and a Mac, is that it uses a PowerPC processor. I think the Xbox 360 and PS3 also use these in one way or another. But yes, even if it could be attacked by hackers via the internet, it would be very hard for them to do anything unless they understand the way the Wii works from a programming or developers standpoint. __________________ *Image Removed By Moderator*

10-10-2006, 08:31 PM	#31
pizzaluvr world crown chimpokomastr Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 680 Friends: 0	there will be alot of hacks for it, because it has an sd slot, which you will be able to make a program that can flash a new [modified] OS __________________ Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! HI

10-10-2006, 08:49 PM	#32
Flip WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 756 Friends: 0 6487-0727-1500-1514	Not that kind of hack. We mean online hackers, that want to violate your privacy and destroy your console. Of course there will be mod-chips and program hacks for it. I look forward to exploring those possibilities. __________________ *Image Removed By Moderator*

10-10-2006, 09:13 PM	#34
MrKlown Weird Guy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Martha, KY Posts: 66 Friends: 0	You said schozphrenic paranoid. Definitely don't suggest mushrooms lol. I think you are just worrying about it all too much. I won't have this luxury of 24/7 being I won't have my connected to the internet period. __________________ I own these games: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock, Excite Truck, Resident Evil 4, Need for Speed: Carbon, Wii Play, Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, Rampage: Total Destruction, Rapala's Fishing, Super Mario Galaxy, NFS: Pro Street, Metroid, Fire Emblem, RE: UC, Wii Sports, Ice Age 2, Elebits.

10-12-2006, 04:54 PM	#36
Big_Mill WiiChat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A land far far away... Or Blackpool (UK) Posts: 249 Friends: 0	Hmmm I imagine Nintendo would of bought the rights to games produced by someone who has gone bankrupt, therefore negating the problem. A bit like the WWE and there Video library.

10-15-2006, 11:57 PM	#37
NeMeZyZ Chapter .1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Beach, fl Posts: 428 Friends: 0	they hacked the gba and ds OFCOURSE they can hack nintendo wii, hell, maing reason is the "external hardrive" support...that just makes it easier..i GUARANTEE we will see roms __________________ ....gotta take a wii Nintendo Wii: $200-$250 Balance on my account: $0.67 Overdraft fee: $30.00 Total: PRICLESS

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10-16-2006, 01:46 AM	#38
White-Wolf WiiChat Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 281 Friends: 0	The fact that the wii as so many ways for a computer to communicate with it will make it easy to change. We have Ethernet, programmable memories cards, and standard usb. With an external hard drive, the wii has unlimited potential. Last edited by White-Wolf; 10-16-2006 at 01:50 AM.

10-25-2006, 01:21 AM	#39
NeMeZyZ Chapter .1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Beach, fl Posts: 428 Friends: 0	good god i ca't wait to see things for the wiis __________________ ....gotta take a wii Nintendo Wii: $200-$250 Balance on my account: $0.67 Overdraft fee: $30.00 Total: PRICLESS

10-25-2006, 06:51 AM	#40
DragonWii Wiiiiiiiiiii Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 92 Friends: 0	Even if wii gets hacked dont you think nintendo will find a patch for it and autoupdate our wii consoles so that it wont accept roms (providing if it does get hacked). Just like what happened to psp got hacked and they updated the software and who ever has updated wont be able to run homebrew programs. of course with updates they provide more exciting features. __________________ Wii

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