Why do you guys hate so much

dedpoet777 · 01-18-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by acphydro

Can't really remember the exact specs of an ethernet cable but if I recall correctly data is sent digitally over it and there is a maximum limit for length for a reason. If not, bad explanation but you should be able to understand. It has been proven that any signal sent suffers in this way, unless you can prove otherwise your statements are worthless to the thread.

yes you are correct. all cat 5 and cat 6 ethernet cables have a signal length. if you run them too far, i think it is over 185 meters attenuation(signal loss) occurs, therefore that is why repeaters or repeating devices such as routers and switches are used in order to regenerate the signal. even fiber optic cable has limits on how far it goes before the light itself weakens.

Wii&Ps3 · 01-18-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dedpoet777

omg dude. show where i ever said that paying more money for them would give you a better picture....please show me. i never said that yet you keep saying i said that. other people said this yes...but i didnt. i just said according to sony you have to buy those cables in order to not void your warranty. so then you say i know nothing about home aud/vid based on something i never said. learn to read dude. youre the only one on here that is pro ps3 and one of the few in the nation and world. all the normal people know it is a waste of money and a piece of S---!!! the cables dont make anything change about he endless hardware and software issues it has. i read a ps3 forum which was 19 pages long in the trouble section. anyone who reads that and then goes and buys one must be on your level. so quit responding to me and trying to make me look dumb while youre the one looking dumber with every post saying i said things i didnt say. LEARN TO READ! i wanted one until they came out and were total junk. now i doubt ill get one at all.

on top of this the moron that started this thread got banned so this thread should be deleted anyway. it is useless, anyone who cant see why people hate on the ps3 is clearly blind, deaf, and dumb. it was the most anticipated system of 2006 and it also the biggest tech failure of 2006, even been voted a failure in magazines. theyd be better off to do a recall and start the f--k completely over.

Wow did I hit a soft spot? You said spend $80-$100 for cables, so it means you would buy them. Theres no reason to spend $100 on a monster hdmi, when the same exact thing can be bought for less than $10 from monoprice. Im pro ps3 because its a great system. Mine gets played quite a bit and ive never had a problem. Ive had quite a few with the wii though.

I own the wii and it isnt impressing me. Maybe the first 5 minutes after I got it home, but it wore off. I think your just mad because you either cant afford one, or your parents wont let you play adult games. You dont know anything about home audio or video, or else you wouldnt have made the comments about expensive cables

Even my friend is a moron with audio, but at least he knows not to spend that kind of money.

Sovieto · 01-18-2007, 09:59 PM

ive seen hdmi cables for 50..just sayin

El Jefe · 01-18-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wii&Ps3

Wow did I hit a soft spot? You said spend $80-$100 for cables, so it means you would buy them. Theres no reason to spend $100 on a monster hdmi, when the same exact thing can be bought for less than $10 from monoprice. Im pro ps3 because its a great system. Mine gets played quite a bit and ive never had a problem. Ive had quite a few with the wii though.

I own the wii and it isnt impressing me. Maybe the first 5 minutes after I got it home, but it wore off. I think your just mad because you either cant afford one, or your parents wont let you play adult games. You dont know anything about home audio or video, or else you wouldnt have made the comments about expensive cables

Even my friend is a moron with audio, but at least he knows not to spend that kind of money.

Just cause he bought expensive parts doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. Why are you such an ass to people?

I don't know what your problem is about playing the Wii. About 15 people go in and out of my house every day, and the Wii is basically on 24 hours a day because somebody is always playing it. I've never had that with a console. People always get tired of just sitting there pushing buttons. The Wii has gotten all of my friends (even the girls) playing video games. You can have fun sitting by yourself in your room playing PS3, but remember I'm over here partying my ass off playing Wii with 8 people, rotating turns playing bowling getting drunk as ****, and probly getting laid so. Yeah. Enjoy Resistence by yourself.

Axtlar · 01-18-2007, 10:16 PM

You know what I meant by what I said, the Wii is the best game console of the three, because they focus on what game consoles should be focusing on: games/gameplay

Wii&Ps3 · 01-18-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by acphydro

That's where you are wrong. Sending a video signal over a wire or sending current through a speaker wire is the same concept. The video signal does indeed degrade as it passes through the wire, and having a thicker wire prevents signal loss. Learn to get your facts straight first. Try combining multiple DVI or HDMI cables together. You'll see what I'm talking about. Cable quality does make a difference whether you like it or not, but that difference just isn't so apparent to some people, including me. If you could actually PROVE that monster cable isn't any different than any other cables then you would indeed have a case against "monster" or whoever makes it. It has been proven that a digital signal and analog signal both suffer from loss due to cable restraints, including but not limited to length.

Can't really remember the exact specs of an ethernet cable but if I recall correctly data is sent digitally over it and there is a maximum limit for length for a reason. If not, bad explanation but you should be able to understand. It has been proven that any signal sent suffers in this way, unless you can prove otherwise your statements are worthless to the thread.

Maybe your TV isn't up to par or something but there is a definite difference between composites, components and quality.

I tested monster hdmi to monoprice and there was no difference in quality at all. I tested them back to back and other people in my house agreed. Including my friend who works at best buy that brainwashed him to think they are better. I had the movies playing at 1080i and my games at 720p.

Monoprice sells hdmi at 100" in 22gauge which is not thick by any means, and its only $131. Which is still cheaper than most monster cables at 6-8ft. I understand video will degrade over distance, however it doesnt mean that a thicker cable will cure it. It means the tolerances need to be tighter. Quality is more important that thickness in an hdmi cable hands down. Same goes for component under 100ft.

If I were designing my home theatre room, I would use hdmi or component. All of my wiring would probably be under 50ft so I would have to worry about the hdmi losing its picture or getting any sparkles.

Component can go a very long ways without any degradation. By you impyling that thicker 6 foot cables are better than thinner 6 foot cables is just stupid. A thicker cable will not make a better picture at such a short distance, unless the thinner cable was very poorly made. (Im saying this because you referred to your wii component cables.) If your running under 100ft you will be fine with at least 22awg. You should go bigger if its longer than that.

You want proof how good monoprice is?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=716216
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768088

Wii&Ps3 · 01-18-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by El Jefe

Just cause he bought expensive parts doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. Why are you such an ass to people?

I don't know what your problem is about playing the Wii. About 15 people go in and out of my house every day, and the Wii is basically on 24 hours a day because somebody is always playing it. I've never had that with a console. People always get tired of just sitting there pushing buttons. The Wii has gotten all of my friends (even the girls) playing video games. You can have fun sitting by yourself in your room playing PS3, but remember I'm over here partying my ass off playing Wii with 8 people, rotating turns playing bowling getting drunk as ****, and probly getting laid so. Yeah. Enjoy Resistence by yourself.

Actually my g/f used to like to play the wii alot too, however she is bored of it. She like resistance but has a hard time since she in unfamiliar with sony remotes. When my friends come over we play resistance. I turned on the wii for them, but after about 15 minutes it was off.

El Jefe · 01-18-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wii&Ps3

Actually my g/f used to like to play the wii alot too, however she is bored of it. She like resistance but has a hard time since she in unfamiliar with sony remotes. When my friends come over we play resistance. I turned on the wii for them, but after about 15 minutes it was off.

So your friends just sit around and watch you play for hours? I'm just saying. People who don't even like videogames are playing. Sony couldn't accomplish that. My g/f dispises videogames, and she plays Wii. If I bought a PS3 she'd be complaining about being bored all the time. Thus I wouldn't get any... From her at least.

Wii&Ps3 · 01-18-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by El Jefe

So your friends just sit around and watch you play for hours? I'm just saying. People who don't even like videogames are playing. Sony couldn't accomplish that. My g/f dispises videogames, and she plays Wii. If I bought a PS3 she'd be complaining about being bored all the time. Thus I wouldn't get any... From her at least.

Its called mutil player. Sony invented something really cool for the ps3. The ability to buy other remotes and play against each other in games. In resistance you play against up to 4 other people in your own home on the same ps3.

My g/f doesnt like videogames, but she likes the ps3. She said the wii is for kids. If your g/f doesnt give you any thats not my problem. I dont bat for that team.

Wii&Ps3 · 01-18-2007, 10:54 PM

read this too http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=729933

El Jefe · 01-18-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wii&Ps3

Its called mutil player. Sony invented something really cool for the ps3. The ability to buy other remotes and play against each other in games. In resistance you play against up to 4 other people in your own home on the same ps3.

My g/f doesnt like videogames, but she likes the ps3. She said the wii is for kids. If your g/f doesnt give you any thats not my problem. I dont bat for that team.

Did somebody shoot your puppy, or were you just born with no sense of humor? Really now.

acphydro · 01-19-2007, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wii&Ps3

I tested monster hdmi to monoprice and there was no difference in quality at all. I tested them back to back and other people in my house agreed. Including my friend who works at best buy that brainwashed him to think they are better. I had the movies playing at 1080i and my games at 720p.

Monoprice sells hdmi at 100" in 22gauge which is not thick by any means, and its only $131. Which is still cheaper than most monster cables at 6-8ft. I understand video will degrade over distance, however it doesnt mean that a thicker cable will cure it. It means the tolerances need to be tighter. Quality is more important that thickness in an hdmi cable hands down. Same goes for component under 100ft.

If I were designing my home theatre room, I would use hdmi or component. All of my wiring would probably be under 50ft so I would have to worry about the hdmi losing its picture or getting any sparkles.

Component can go a very long ways without any degradation. By you impyling that thicker 6 foot cables are better than thinner 6 foot cables is just stupid. A thicker cable will not make a better picture at such a short distance, unless the thinner cable was very poorly made. (Im saying this because you referred to your wii component cables.) If your running under 100ft you will be fine with at least 22awg. You should go bigger if its longer than that.

You want proof how good monoprice is?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=716216
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768088

Ok, I never said monoprice cables were poor quality. Ever hear of the company called Lite-On-It? They make mostly optical drives for computers, dvd players, etc. Their $30 dvdrw drives rival in quality and features of the $80 plextor drives. Yes it is possible for something cheaper to be almost just as good. Fact is thicker wires avoid interference and loss better. That's fact and there's nothing you can say to change that. By the way 100" isn't much more than 8 feet.

Do you understand what compression is? Take the xvid codec for example. You compress a DVD movie to ~700MB and you ARE losing quality. The video signal in a composite cable is a complete video stream compressed to flow through that single cable, thats why component is actually better. It provides more room for the signals and seperates them somewhat. You were implying that there was no difference between composite, component and etc.

Sorry if you can't comprehend that. Aren't you the one that claims games will be better because they are on the Blu-Ray discs that hold 25GB or 50GB?
Compress that 16GB of Resistance and try to tell me there is no difference playing it compressed to 8GB or so. The concept is the same. A video signal from the console is comparable to the signal [the file] that a pc decodes for playback. Maybe not directly. I could gladly elaborate more and fill you full of more information if you would like me too. Fact is, length, thickness, quality all matters. Quality matters most---agreed. If monoprice offers quality cables for cheap I'm all for it, but there IS a difference with length, thickness, color channel seperation, etc.

SuperH · 01-19-2007, 01:21 AM

With HDMI, it doesn't matter the quality of the cable so much.

With component, it does. Component connections are purely analog. HDMI connections aren't. They are digital.

Same deal for expensive fiber optic cables for TOSLink connections VS cheap ones. They are digital. And, the same is for S/PDIF coaxial connections. Cheap and expensive RCA cables will tend to do the same thing for S/PDIF, however electrical noise can cause the connection to be interrupted occasionally with S/PDIF, the quality will certainly never degrade.

Cable quality really only makes a difference with analog connections. This is painstakingly apparent with the PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360. My Wii and Xbox 360 use component connections and have a little noise on them on the video image (not much, but its there). My PS3 uses HDMI and it's noise free.

Wii&Ps3 · 01-19-2007, 01:45 AM

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By the way 100" isn't much more than 8 feet.

oops it was meant to be 100'

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You were implying that there was no difference between composite, component and etc.

Please show me where i posted that. Theres is a huge difference between composite and component. Thats why I have component wires on my wii, even though it only supports 480p. If I didnt think there was a difference, I wouldnt have bought them, or an hdmi cable for my ps3.

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Fact is, length, thickness, quality all matters. Quality matters most---agreed. If monoprice offers quality cables for cheap I'm all for it, but there IS a difference with length, thickness, color channel seperation, etc.

http://bluejeanscable.com/articles/c...videocable.htm

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Size is Overrated
Over normal run lengths and with cable of reasonable parameters, the amount of signal lost to resistance in the cable is not particularly significant; this is especially so because, even to the extent that resistance causes loss, the loss is linear--it affects all frequencies in the signal almost equally, and so when the display receives the signal and adjusts its amplitude (usually done by reference to the strength of the sync pulses), all of the information is still present regardless of the loss of signal strength. Over reasonable run lengths (say, under 100 feet), these losses are not really significant so long as one is dealing with a cable having a reasonably-sized center conductor (say, 22 AWG or larger).

imae · 01-19-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by El Jefe

I don't know what your problem is about playing the Wii. About 15 people go in and out of my house every day, and the Wii is basically on 24 hours a day because somebody is always playing it. I've never had that with a console. People always get tired of just sitting there pushing buttons. The Wii has gotten all of my friends (even the girls) playing video games.

well some people have different tastes i guess but whatever wii&ps3 says about the console being boring to him, it won't change how many other people feel wen they play it.

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I've never had that with a console.

Last gen i owned all 3 consoles(ps3, xbox, gc) and I know exactly what u mean. It used to be someone(someone not particularly interested in gaming for example) would walk in and see you playing.. they'd show some slight interest maybe even give it a go, but most of the time they wouldnt get any enjoyment out of it and just move onto something else/another topic... which was really awkward at times, and you'd just switch off the console and go out or something.
With Wii its completly different, everyone who see's it wants in.. they express some enjoyment just watching others play, and a month down the line my flatemate is still eager for a round of wii sports in the evenings, and he's never been into games at all. I hear stories like this from friends and online on forums all the time.

There is absolutly no doubt in my mind that Nintendo have done exactly what they said they would do, apeal to the non-gamers.

Wii&Ps3 · 01-19-2007, 01:52 AM

I agree with the above statement. People who dont own one want one because its unique. I just hope nintendo can get some good games out for me to buy. That sadness game looks interesting, but only time will tell if its any good.

imae · 01-19-2007, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wii&Ps3

I agree with the above statement. People who dont own one want one because its unique and fun to play. I just hope nintendo can get some good games out for me to buy. That sadness game looks interesting, but only time will tell if its any good.

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but seriously.. if sadness is the only game your interested in, and the interest in your Wii wore off after 5 minutes... you should think about selling your wii.