This is often how it works, developer wants franchise, pays money for rights, makes game and the publisher with developer chooses its console(s)/system for it to appear on and develope it accordingly. Just because disney has the rights for the characters or franchise doesnt mean they have the final say in the matter either. Its never that simple.

Most likely the game will aim for a multiplatform approach for greater revinue unless sony is willing to pay the rights for the exclusive, which i dont believe they would want to do.

I lol'd. You can have the best hardware in the world, but you will still always have this thing called a budget that will hold you back. The poor PS3 software sales coupled with the lowest userbase on the system and high development costs sure won't attract 3rd parties.

None of the things you list really matter, a lack of games (namely exclusives) and five hundred ninty nine US dollars are the reasons for Sony's failure. "But but... just wait till... uh.. sometime, Sony really does have a ton of 3rd part support just you wait!" lol. A lack of exclusives means no market leader for Sony. They lost DMC, they'll likely lose MGS, and FFXIII won't be out untill 2008, which means late 08/early 09 for US... By then it will be too late. In the mean time Wii outsells them both in every region and is such a hot item that supply still hasn't caught up with demand even now going into April.

Your list of reasons why the PS3 is a "good system" reminds me of DS vs PSP arguments, and we all know how that turned out. The fact that much higher budget PS3 software such as VF5 are selling worse than some of the much lower development cost and low profile games on the Wii says alot.

hmm yes budget... interesting you bring this up. Let me ask you a question? do you know of a thing called the secondary market? or alternate sources of revinue?

Ok, let me change course for a second here and state a fact. The same thing was said about the PS2 and it ended up being one of the most successful systems in history.

The XBOX 360 has sold the most units, its a year old and is nearing 11 million units sold. Sony ps3, at a much higher cost has sold MORE than the xbox360 within its first three months.

The PS3 right now is being sampled with computers by stanford (major uni) to test processing strength. It can process at a 23:1 ratio compared to the average computer. Meaning 23 times more than a normal cpu based off the average numbers coming in from windows users.

still with me? Ok now lets skip over to GDC 2007 where sony wowed an auditorium full of developers and gathered great praise at the convention. Sony has been developing now not only first party games but has a slew of third party game STILL IN DEVELOPEMENT.

THE SYSTEM IS NOT EVEN HALF A YEAR OLD. let me remind you of it selling more than the 360 at their launch period.

You are saying its wont even attract third party developers when IT ALREADY HAS. I dont know what your smoking but i will take some of it, unless its that weed that makes you biased, ill pass.




Nothing i have listen really matters eh...The PS3 is the cheapest blue ray player on the market, blue ray is leading the war in High Definition movie sales, Its an open ended system which enourages modding.. meaning like the PSP users can create their own software for the PS3 and mod it accordingly, meaning, it runs linux and CAN USE both the Xbox 360 and wii controllers. Ouch, hurts doesnt it?

List goes on, blue ray holds 50 gigs of space... do you know what that means? most like you dont or you wouldnt be so ignorant. It means higher resolution textures, greater quality sound, movie files, and more gameplay content can be used. It means a game will never need more than one disc for a long arse time. Lets continue, its online capabilities can be used for not only gaming, but just about anything due to the openness of the system. Accessories like the Eyetoy allow the PS3 to recognize real images and translate them into the game world, this means that if a Collectable Card game were to be made into a game, people can buy the real cards and play them in the game itself, it means that its a machine that senses movement and identifies images. Ok lets move on, the gpu is the most advanced gpu along with the 360 in terms of capability, this means a lot if you come from a background of PC gaming. Its firmware is the most complex and useful firmware on the market. If you have played a PSP you would know what its capable of.

OK now im getting tired of listing stuff.. im going to get distracted and move on over to the secondary market. OK home, it is a multiplayer world that allows companies to incorporate their logos, their identity into a virtual world. Their advertisements can be shown, rewards are given for purchasing games, and the single player games have an impact on the multiplayer world.
Now, if you were a developer, and you knew piracy was an issue.. wouldnt you want to go with 1) a medium that can take up 50 gigs of space (meaning, downloading and copying that much info will discourage piracy, therefore increasing revinue), 2) have an online world that encourages the buying of games for multiplayer rewards, 3) advertising to their target audience directly, 4) premium item brand purchases increasing revinue...

Look, right now the PS3 is a system that has a lot of potential. It has a LIST of exclusives that sony itself is developing, its also going to showcase multiplatform games. It appeals to the mod community and will be the first platform console to showcase user made software and games.

Simply put, the PS3 is an amazing system. It does have third party support, its still considered a recently released system and finally it has not failed, by saying that you already show you are ignorant and biased.


Wo wo wow... dont get me started on the DS vs PSP. YOU obviously know nothing about the psp. Who said a system that sells more is a better system? its a lot like a game thats really good but appeals to a lesser ammount of people. The fact is the PSP is around the same price as a nintendo Wii. For a hand held its very expensive, but its also the most amazing piece of portable hardware on the market.

My PSP right now is a virtual minicomputer. I read books off of it, use it as a remote for my tv, use it to communicate with my PC, PLAY nes, snes, atari, neogeo, sega mastersystem, gba, playstation1, mame, N64, usermade homebrew games.. to name a few. It can play movies streaming from my TV and Computer, play music, HELL i was enjoying Xenogears and Final Fantasy 8 off of it earlier. Its soo moddable its insane.

If what you "claim" is true, which its not, the number of psp games would be slowing... the fact is thats not the case. I dont care if its a more expensive system, im a working professional and can buy these things. I enjoy what they offer and know that a better system is not always the CHEAPER system.

Im no fanboy, in fact I enjoy all systems, but I wont be ignorant and not admit the strong points of each.

nice try.

You still don't get it. If the userbase is not there to support the video game software, developers will not spend the millions to develop a game that will only reach a small userbase. Without games the PS3 will not sell well period. Blu-ray will save it? lol. PS3 was supposed to support blu-ray, not the other way around. It is not the certain disc medium to replace DVD, and to suggest that the PS3 will survive selling as a computer is laughable.


lol. Nobody wow'd at GDC (not Sony, Nintendo or MS). LittleBigPlanet looked nice, but lets not get carried away and try to claim Sony "wowed." Lemmie guess HOME will save them? lol you are desperate now. And I'd like to see a list of this "slew of third party games" you speak of. Like I said,
"But but... just wait till... uh.. sometime, Sony really does have a ton of 3rd part support just you wait!"


Let me remind you that the Wii outsold both the 360 and PS3 combined worldwide last month. Let me remind you that the Wii is selling better than the PS2 at this same point during it's lifetime.


Why is it that 3rd parties are bailing out exclusive titles? The games we know of now were in development pre-launch and pre-E3, everyone thought the PS3 would have the same success of the PS2. We know now that sure isn't looking to be the case, and that is why so many games are being ported to the 360 now. This is also why all of the Wii dev kits were sold out recently.


The war on the next disc format is premature and won't likely take off for a good number of years, the next gen console winner will have already been decided by then.



So... since there is such a mediocre game lineup for the PS3, we have to make our own games to get any use out of it... And since Sony couldn't properly rip off the Wii remote they have to use it too... Nice try but without software to push the system, this won't make a difference. "Ouch, hurts doesnt it?" is what I will post when the PS3 continues to flop throughout the year (I woud say when it loses it's marketshare and comes in last, but thats already happened).


Oh please.... This is simply your opinion, we go by the sucess of a system to determine which is "better." By your logic I could say the N-gage is the "most amazing piece of portable hardware on the market" because "its a lot like a game thats really good but appeals to a lesser ammount of people." Stop grasping at straws.


lol look who’s talking. Despite all that has happened, you blindly follow Sony in believing that they will somehow take the industry back.


Your right, the PSP would actually have to have games in the first place for them to slow down... I don't know why you are trying to defend the PSP here, its library cannot compare to the DS... you yourself admit to playing moded PSX games on it… this is due to a lack of compelling software released. There are definately some great games for the system, but it just can't stand up to the DS.

Cause its a games console with shi*t games.

Your obviously new here, therefore you would know im far from being a fanboy of any type.


Again, you forget multiplatform games DO exist. Yes, they are not myth as you would like to believe. Developers know that 1) they want money, 2) they know that if they have a hot franchise, the players will go to it regardless of console. 3)they are competing with other game developers to have the superior product (not just in sales, but also in technical superiority).

If anyones acting like a fanboy here... its you kid. Who said that the blue ray will support the system only? Ever heard of a multimedia system. Thats what sony is aiming for this time around. Deal with it. You say that its laughable that the PS3 would "survive" selling as a computer is laughable? Thats kind of funny since last i checked PC gaming is considered to be the best type of gaming out there. You obviously know nothing about PCs or you wouldnt be saying such stupid things. The fact that sony made an open ended system for the mod community garantees to an extent the survivability of the PS3. The more a console mimics a computer the better in my opinion.

Again i remind you the PS3 is has sold more units in the first 3 months than the xbox 360. Sony is building its first party games, and third party developers are signed on to make games. Get your head out of your ( Y )


Thats kind of funny.. were you there? Cause I had a few friends that went and a lot of the devs expressed an even greater interest in the console. After the keynote by sony, there was a room set up for devs interested in finding out more about the tech and also the kits used to develope and use the best the system has to offer. The room was packed.


Right... no one here is saying the wii didnt sell good. I like the wii also but for different reasons. Why are you so narrowminded to think that if someone defends sony from misconceptions that they must some how hate nintendo?

Let me REMIND YOU that the wii is also a fraction of the price of the PS3 and 360. It also targets a much broader audience and has the backing of franchises like mario, zelda and metriod that have been around since the mid 80's.

By the way, what does the wii's sales have to do with any of this? Who cares. Its a cheap system, so cheap that many gamers will buy more than one type of system. THE WII'S SUCCESS does not magically = Sony's failure.

Your such a tool its not even funny.


OK time to teach you something. Games are costing more and more money to make, the budgets run higher and therefore to buy out for an exclusive cost much much more. Its no secret that developers make more money going multiplatform than with exclusives, the only reason they would go exclusives if the parent company offered a good deal for the exclusive. So your whole smug bailing out question was just shoved back into your face unfortunately.

The PS2 was given the same predictions, it started slow and sped up. Eventually reaching over 110 million units sold world wide. Figure that.

Again you seem to think that third party developers can only be interested in ONE system. And thats where you get retarded. Again no one is saying the wii is bad, but third party developers will be interested in making games for all systems. Again, your head does not belong in your ( Y )
You keep turning this into a sony hate vs wii thread, and its not. This is why fanboys are not welcome here.


Ok miss cleo, now that you have fortold the future. How about taking those tarot cards and putting them where your mouth is. Its funny how you make all these claims and then end with, its all premature to tell.

The fact is, blue ray is out selling and is gaining wider range of support than its competitor toshibas medium. This is a fact. Its also a fact that Sony has both a record company and movie studios, who in turn gain favor with the rest of the entertainment biz. Hollywood is loving blue ray. Its a bigger medium and its more popular for varyious logical reasons. Deal with it.



another kid who fails to know fact from fiction. Its so obvious of your hate for sony, that i dont even know why you are here. Sony ripped off the wiimote... right... care to explain how they filed the patent for their sixaxis controller before the wiimote was brought to light? If you look at them you would know they are completely different controllers that opperate differently. The funny thing is, both nintendo and sony took their controller tech from someone else. They are both guilty of reusing another companies stuff, even for games. So nice try again.

Software? your not familiar with the Playstation firmware are you? its the most advanced OS out of the consoles. Theres a reason universities and businesses are using the PS3 other than just games. Kind of funny when you consider it can run LINUX. I guess the fact that users can create their own content for it must be bad then? hmm or that the xbox controller and the wiimote work with the ps3 also.

Kid its too early in the game for you to make these fanboy assumptions. All you offer is your hate for Sony, which anyone with eyes can see. Once you start to see the reality of the situation you can be ready to admit the strengths and weaknesses of each system and enjoy each system as a gamer.

Gamers never have to be stuck with one system. That kind of thinking is what inbreeds fanboys.


Funny that all you offer is biased opinion and you go ahead and say what i offer is opinion. lol. By my logic I say that sales dont = a better system. Sales equal a more accessable system. A more accessable system can be better than another, but it can also be worse.

Explain to me this "all thats happened?" Because what i see is that a system less than half a year old and more expensive is waiting for its game titles and firmware updates to manifest.


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Your right, the PSP would actually have to have games in the first place for them to slow down... I don't know why you are trying to defend the PSP here, its library cannot compare to the DS... you yourself admit to playing moded PSX games on it… this is due to a lack of compelling software released.[/quote]

I admit to playing PSX games on my PSP because they are GOOD games. Do i need any other reason? Xenogears, diabo, FF7-8, Grand turismo, warcraft 2, all these great PSX games workable on a portable system..which looks and plays better than most of the DS games on the market. You still dont grasp the concept of the PSP. Its not made kid friendly, its an expensive piece of hardware that can do a lot. Why would parents buy their kids a PSP when the kid could have a DS? target audience comes back into play. I Suggest you learn about it. By the way, the PSP has some great games made for it as well, perhaps you should try playing it instead of being a fanboy and hating it.

Make up your mind from experience, not your mental retardation.

Calm down girls.

I would get a ps3 if it;
1. Had good games.
2. Had a decent controller.
3. Had a reasonable price.

But it has the opposite of all those things.

I must admit the controller is a big one for me. It sucks.

I'll be buying a 360 instead.

Sony tried the "multimedia hub instead of a game machine" idea with the PSP too and didn't do so hot. What it all boils down to are the games. We are seeing that without the games the hardware doesn't sell, I don't care how many non-gaming extras are tossed into the system. We've seen time and time again, games are what really matter.

And trying to say PC's are regarded as the best for gaming isn't true. To a niche community maybe, but the majority go with consoles from what I'm seeing. And to say that sales do not matter is ridiculous, you were just bragging about sales against the 360 a minute ago. If we don't go by sales we are just arguing opinions, and in the end your single or my single opinions don't really matter, we go by the sales.


Hahaha so if 3rd parties release multiplatform games, which one do you think people will choose for the same game... $400 for Xbox360 or $600 for PS3? You try to use the high development cost as an excuse and say that makes it "ok"? No matter how you try to spin it, Sony is losing exclusives.

All I offer is biased opinion eh?... guess those sales numbers are made up huh....


HAHAHAHA so that is supposed to automatically make it not count?.... You can't dismiss the sales just because they are not in your favor lol.

Care to explain to me why Sony slaped the motion controls into the controller at the last minute, and how most devs didn't even know about it until it was shown at E3? Remember how the Warhawk motion controls were tacked on mere weeks before E3?


PS2 says hi.

*points to sales figures*
*Points to list of once exclusives games gone multiplatform*
*Points to five hundred ninty nine US dollars*


Calling me names now? lol. You assume so much about me and are so wrong.

You go ahead and continue spining the truth, the fact that you attempt to debate with me and then try to say the sales don't matter is comedy gold. "Lets discuss the sucess of a system but totally disregaurd how (un)sucessful it is."

Gonna need a more factual answer than that. You most likely have not played the all games out for it therefore making your opinion on it seems kind of lame doesnt it.

Second its subjective, someone might enjoy Oblivion on the PS3, or Resistance Fall of man, or Motorstorm, or tekken or viruta tennis..

You want a cheaper price, I dont blame you. Everyone wants things in life to be cheap. The controller out right now is not bad at all, have you used it? Games that might interest you are still in developement. The console is less than half a year old, give it time.

Might as well dish out the extra bucks if you're willing to spend like $600 for a console system.

EDIT: Congratulations Shift, you amaze me. GJ defending your console and those uber awesome non-repetitive rebuttles.

True, True. Hocotate

Anyone interested in a multimedia hub will buy one themselves. (i.e. non-gamers) The point of the ps3 is a games console.
Let me explain...
PLAY-STATION-3
I'd never use my games console to play DVDs. Cause they all sucked at it. PS2 and xbox... My DVD player had far superior picture quality & playback options. If I want Blu-ray I will buy a blu-Ray player.

I have used the controller...

It bears more than a passing resemblance to the dual analogue controller on the PS1... In fact...?! I'm not going to finish what I'm saying about the controller. You can't defend it. It should have been better - no excuses.

There's no reason for launch titles to suck. They don't have to as Zelda proved. You don't have to completely harness the PS3s full potential to make a good game. Just make a really good looking fun (what would be a PS2) game for the PS3 launch? Plus you have to spend an extra £50 on top of the console to be able to play it. Unlike Wii sports. Thats £460 - or $830 we pay in the UK.

Also if you are going to use subjectivity as an argument we may as well all log off. I think the majority of people would agree that there are far better games on the 360 and wii than the ps3.
Despite how I might come off sometimes I'm not actually a person who hates the idea of a PS3 because I love 360 or wii. I'm pretty indifferent when it comes to that.
I ask myself why would I want a ps3... And whats so good about it... Compared to the 360 and wii, I don't see any real benefit owning a ps3. I could buy a wii and a 360 for the same price as a ps3.

Really? how did the psp become not so hot? do tell? Strange that the number 1 selling game right now is for the PSP no? Monster hunter freedom spurred PSP sales recently beating the wii and the 360 for that week. You make it seem like the PSP is dead. Have you seen the mod community? its huge. You have no idea whats going on with the PSP.

Games are what really matter? Games are only part of what matter, the rest is utility. You are too narrowminded.


PC games are considered the hardcore of gaming. A lot of developers test their skills with the PC gaming community, and its been one that has lived the longest out of all the consoles. The games are purely subjective wheather you like them or not, but they do offer the widest selection of high concept gaming and detail.

I said that sales do not make a better system, so STOP twisting words arround. You claim the PS3 has failed, and by sales i have explained its not. No where did i ever say that the PS3 is a better system because of sales. Nor is the wii is a better system because of sales.

if all you can think about is sales, then this is like talking to a wall. I can offer facts about the system that breaks up your opinions, but in the end if you are only going to focus on the wiis sales then its like of like trying to talk a dog into talking.