PS3 is simply ahead of its time.

markmanuel18 · 04-14-2007, 10:05 PM

I was just saying that to make a point that people will go for the next new thing.....Toss in a 360 enhance some features here and there that was not in the old generation and people will gobble up the Xbox720 down.

CyanRussel · 04-24-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by santo

First of all, yes, I am a Nintendo gamer. I have been since the 8-bit days. I don't like to call myself a fanboy, there are too many negative connotations to that term. I don't bounce from board to board spouting "ZOMG P$3 suXX0rz". I do, however, think Sony seriously dropped the proverbial ball this generation.

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a serious piece of hardware. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm sure it's dozens if not hundreds of times more powerful than the Wii. This is exactly its problem.

First and foremost in Sony's ball dropage is the Blu Ray. Its inclusion resulted in short supplies, launch delays, and a hugely inflated price. Blu Ray, again, is a fantastic piece of technology. However, HDTV penetration still isn't that high. No one without an HDTV will see the benefit. Also, consumers are wary of buying into the technology while the format war rages on. While Blu Ray gives Sony a high definition title of some sort, it just isn't needed at this time.

The main advantage over current generation DVD is the storage capacity. Okay, so we can have 50GB games now. And...? No game comes anywhere near that, and probably won't for at least a few years. They don't need it. Look at Gears of War: 4.7GB. And that game is beautiful. And while the Blu Ray drive offers better capacity and graphics, it is still a relatively new technology. The result: a 2x drive that gives snail-like loading times.

Leaving out Blu Ray could have cut $200 from the PS3's price. Hell, I would have been tempted to buy one at $300.

The Blu Ray also cost Sony delays... upwards of a year depending on the market. The delay cost Sony exclusives and gave Microsoft a yearlong head start.

So what should Sony have done? Slapped a current generation DVD drive in that puppy, ditched HDMI for component, and called it the PS2.5. Give us Blu Ray in 3 years when it will make a difference.

Im sorry but im gonna have to disagree with you, because this kind of crap happen to the ps2, just because the ps3 is way back in sales, doesnt stop it from coming back from the back of pack with the other consoles such as the 360 and wii, now im a wii-fan but i also like the ps3 even though i like the wii more, im pretty sure the ps3 can make a comeback without a shout of a doubt, they've been through this before, and plus this is only the begining, they have all the time in the world, to think of something!! Which im sure they will, what im saying in short words is "Dont count out the ps3 just yet!"

Squall7 · 04-24-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CyanRussel

Im sorry but im gonna have to disagree with you, because this kind of crap happen to the ps2, just because the ps3 is way back in sales, doesnt stop it from coming back from the back of pack with the other consoles such as the 360 and wii, now im a wii-fan but i also like the ps3 even though i like the wii more, im pretty sure the ps3 can make a comeback without a shout of a doubt, they've been through this before, and plus this is only the begining, they have all the time in the world, to think of something!! Which im sure they will, what im saying in short words is "Dont count out the ps3 just yet!"

That's all very well and good having the parallel with the PS2, but previous success does not prove future success. The PS3 cannot be written off yet because we cannot tell the future. However, we generally can only speculate based on information available. To this extent, we see the PS3's sales being heavily down and the Wii's sales very much up. Anything else is just senseless conjecture.

Also note, PS2 had two quite poor rivals (relatively - I loved the Gamecube, but I can see why it's not as good a rival as the Wii is to PS3). The PS3 have two established rivals, that are already beating it by a very wide margin. Also, the price point is a very sore subject with a lot of people. When that goes down, HDTV gets more penetration and Sony gets some well recognised exclusives, then we may begin to see figures drop. However, the Wii may prove too much still, despite what some think of it (Fad, impulse buy etc...)

markmanuel18 · 04-24-2007, 07:25 PM

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they have all the time in the world, to think of something!! Which im sure they will, what im saying in short words is "Dont count out the ps3 just yet!"

IMO Sony better be thinking of a $200 price(ya I know they are already selling it at a price cut but they need to cut it more) cut the sooner they do it the better their chances are at surviving this generationI want a PS3 as well but for $600 it's going to take at least 6 excluvises that i am really interested in to get it at that price. so far only final fantasy 13. Projecting the sales If sony keeps selling at this rate by the time they sell 5 million consoles the Wii will be at 15 million.

WiiZero · 04-24-2007, 09:16 PM

Lair
Motorstorm
White Knight Story
DC Online
FFXIII
LittleBig Planet
PlayStation HOME
Metal Gear Solid 4
Devil May Cry 4

You see there has got to be some you are interested in

Sovieto · 04-24-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by santo

First of all, yes, I am a Nintendo gamer. I have been since the 8-bit days. I don't like to call myself a fanboy, there are too many negative connotations to that term. I don't bounce from board to board spouting "ZOMG P$3 suXX0rz". I do, however, think Sony seriously dropped the proverbial ball this generation.

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a serious piece of hardware. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm sure it's dozens if not hundreds of times more powerful than the Wii. This is exactly its problem.

First and foremost in Sony's ball dropage is the Blu Ray. Its inclusion resulted in short supplies, launch delays, and a hugely inflated price. Blu Ray, again, is a fantastic piece of technology. However, HDTV penetration still isn't that high. No one without an HDTV will see the benefit. Also, consumers are wary of buying into the technology while the format war rages on. While Blu Ray gives Sony a high definition title of some sort, it just isn't needed at this time.

The main advantage over current generation DVD is the storage capacity. Okay, so we can have 50GB games now. And...? No game comes anywhere near that, and probably won't for at least a few years. They don't need it. Look at Gears of War: 4.7GB. And that game is beautiful. And while the Blu Ray drive offers better capacity and graphics, it is still a relatively new technology. The result: a 2x drive that gives snail-like loading times.

Leaving out Blu Ray could have cut $200 from the PS3's price. Hell, I would have been tempted to buy one at $300.

The Blu Ray also cost Sony delays... upwards of a year depending on the market. The delay cost Sony exclusives and gave Microsoft a yearlong head start.

So what should Sony have done? Slapped a current generation DVD drive in that puppy, ditched HDMI for component, and called it the PS2.5. Give us Blu Ray in 3 years when it will make a difference.

actually blu ray has an extreme storage amount capacity...so its RLY good for games...

thats how it would benefit someone without a hddvd

tank · 04-24-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

In the game, you will find tvs, radios and movie theatures throughout the free roaming world. You can watch full movies, episodes.. ect whatever the developers want to pack in there without worrying about space limitations.

Who cares? Does that add to the gameplay? IMO....no!

WiiZero · 04-24-2007, 11:11 PM

Not the gameplay since you don't have to interact with the movie, radio etc. dumbass but the game yeah we are in an era where the smallest detail can be a fatal flaw or a huge success

Shiftfallout · 04-24-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tank

Who cares? Does that add to the gameplay? IMO....no!

Yes. Its called Immersion. Immersion by making a world deeper, setting mood via sound and video.

Those were merely a few of the differences found in the game. Are you saying you dont care about immersion? huh?

Squall7 · 04-25-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

Yes. Its called Immersion. Immersion by making a world deeper, setting mood via sound and video.

Those were merely a few of the differences found in the game. Are you saying you dont care about immersion? huh?

Immersion and attention to detail isn't neccessarily hampered by lack of storage space.

Besides, what about data compression? Surely that would account for some space. 2 Disks worth of Resident Evil 2 for the PSX managed to be squeezed onto a single N64 cart. Surely this goes to show that compression for games can at least sometimes work around the space issue...

Sovieto · 04-25-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tank

Who cares? Does that add to the gameplay? IMO....no!

neither do Miis or a photochannel

markmanuel18 · 04-25-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WiiZero

Lair
Motorstorm
White Knight Story
DC Online
FFXIII
LittleBig Planet
PlayStation HOME
Metal Gear Solid 4
Devil May Cry 4

You see there has got to be some you are interested in

those look like good games only final fantasy 13 does it for me...I am curious about white knight story but i need to see more gameplay for that

Shiftfallout · 04-25-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by markmanuel18

those look like good games only final fantasy 13 does it for me...I am curious about white knight story but i need to see more gameplay for that

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I'll be honest though, FF is getting a bit old, so i really hope that FF13 will do to the series what FF7 did when it came out on the ps1.

I think what the FF series is really lacking, is itemization. Meaning, items that can be randomly found and when equipped you see what they look like. It has always bothered me when you buy new armor, you dont get to see it. I hate the idea of walking around in the same clothes you started the game with. Character developement should be both internal and external. Just how I feel though. PC rpgs ruined the one garb setup for me, i used to be ok with it, now after playing the PC rpg I have trouble going back.

CyanRussel · 04-26-2007, 06:21 PM

I used to like pc's for racing and shooting games, but now i plaay them on my console!

markmanuel18 · 04-26-2007, 06:28 PM

shiftalot thanks for the vid, but i've seen that video allready nice to watch it again...I just like to see more vids on it...before making my choice if i like it enough to want to get it.