Why are we fanboys but your "Nintendo supporters"? Sony supporters, like myself, have invested in more then just Sony games. I have a Sony Handycam, Sony VAIO and Sony Plasma TV. To me Sony doesnt want to make something just to get a quick buck as all the things i have i have had other companies as well and they dont stand up to any Sony product.

I have been around for a while and i have never seen a game company that doesnt rely on a single game. I know you think "Final Fantasy" but Final Fantasy was on NES and didnt save Nintendo but Square from bankrupcy. When Final Fantasy left for Sony the only reason it was bigger then its previous ones was due to the fact it was easier to obtain the the SNES carts were. It has left a deeper impression on Sony's life line but would it be why the PS sold like it did? No. Would it be considered Sonys mascot? Most deffinitly not.

Kingdom Hearts is also something people use to justify their claims that Sony has few good games but this didnt come until 2002 while the system itself was out in 2000. Plus it doesnt explain the burst of PS1 sales that killed anything in its path. Was it the turning point for Sony? No. It was producing great games such as Devil May Cry, Ape Escape, Grand Theft Auto, Metal Gear Solid and much much more.

Has Sony ever needed to rely on a single game? Not as far back as the PS1, and they never will. People will still say the only games that make the PS famous are the ones that stand out but thats not true. Sony has no mascot, if they lose a game to third party it wont hurt them like if Microsoft lost Halo or Nintendo lost Mario.

As far as knowing what consumers want, yes they do. Nintendo is the God of knowing what a consumer wants. Quality products has not been what they are known for as of late. Cheap fads is what consumers want, mostly the kids. They know this, when something becomes "cool" everyone will buy into it. Saying this is not a fad would be a blaitent lie.

Im not a fanboy, im a Sony supporter.

Agree completely, but a large part of the reason square left nintendo (and many other japanese developers) is also due to the fact that nintendo broke dealings with another japanese company in favor of a european company (phillips). This "betrayal" as the japanese put it, caused many japanese devepopers to support sony as a fellow japanese business over nintendo which did something very taboo at the time. We are still seeing the after effects of nintendos betrayal.. and it was because like pearl harbor, they fooled sony which supported them and left them hanging only to team up with another company that was outside japan.

What many do not realize is that even though sony is japanese at origin, it is still an international company which is run by many from all around the world.
I personally believe sony is part of the future and they deserve and also must be promted to develope future technology.

sony started off as a small radio repair shop which turned into a radio company providing the best portable radio ever, and then developed into bringing new technology to the consumer in a manner that mainstreamed it, often taking losses yet still growing.

Nintendo, though I love them dearly from my past growing up with the nes and original 10 lb gameboy, has turned to taxi serves, sex hotels (also used for prostitution and illegal trade)..ect to support them.

They have dealed with the yakuza (japanese mafia) providing them with goods to support their gabling. Nintendo has more of a dirty past than sony, muchmuchmuch more dirty. It frustrates me that these.. kids... cannot accept history. Nintendo i think is good now, but turning it into a god is out right fool hardy while making sony out to be some evil organization is bad.

Anyways keep up the good work, it seems that even some previously banned members cant face reality and have not changed. I wonder if they still feel that the mods are not needed.

You know your stuff. I didnt want to say why Square left cause i didnt know exactly why myself, though i did think it had to due with blowing off Sony's CD extention.

Phil Harrison, who may be the devil in disguise here, has also stated that hes with Sony for the technology that they have been producing through-out their history. I feel if Sony stopped making games, we would still be in the age of DVD's, not seeing what could be.

at this point we are seeing media merging into one form. This is the future. When devices are not limited to one function but many, and this is where japanese thinking comes into play. If you have ever been to the big cities in japan, the first thing you notice is how efficant they are. Its not suprising to find something that does many things, it is a small country with many people. They are forced to create products that can fulfill and connect with the whole rather than one individual function. This outside of the box thinking is what has spurred technology along with north american computer tech, we are finding ourselves faces with a future that is very convenient.

Japan and the USA have altered the course of history through technology. The USA is powerful but doesnt put its technology to mainstream (and in my opinion good enough use), japan does and therefor when the two are mixed we start to see changes in what becomes accessable to the world. Europe is growing in this area, and soon the entire world will play roles.

I mean its amazing that now we are seeing developers and products (technological in nature) from not just one country but many. Sony has played a huge part in this, so has microsoft.. and so has nintendo. To hate one of them is almost to hate what they have contributed to the accesability of digital interactivity and gaming.

They are competing with each other, but this competition brings renewal and progression. Promoting one over the other, hating another, while worshiping one, does disservice to the entirity of the effect.

anyways sorry for rambling on. I got carried away. (just got back from the night club scene, still buzzed.)

Sqaure joined with Sony because the SNES didn't have the capability to release Final Fantasy 7 and the N64 couldn't handle the FMV's in 7, 8 or 9 due to both the SNES and the N64 using cartridges. Now that Nintendo has a disc operated system Square can develop their now graphic-and-processor-heavy RPG's for the Nintendo systems as well as for the PS systems but I can't see Square leaving Sony entirely.

I personally think that the main FF series is going to continue to be produced on the Sony platforms whereas other spin-offs (Crystal Chronicles) etc. will appear on the other consoles as well as on the Playstation.

Either way; I can't see Microsoft ever getting their hands on a Final Fantasy game xD

Nintendo was with Sony to develop a CD extention, check out the bottom of your N64, for the N64. Things went wrong, as Shift explains, and Nintendo ultimately packs Sony's bags and tells them to leave. While a Final Fantasy was going to grace the N64, it soon went south and into Sony's control. They said the original story sucked anyways. Yes, Final Fantasy VII was not the original story.


As true as i want that to be, its not. Final Fantasy XIII will be making multiple apearences on PS3, 360, mobile phones (I believe only the FOMA at this time), PSP and possibly Wii and DS. The main franchise will be Sony based but not exclusive.

They did get Final Fantasy XI, soon they will have XIII and Xbox fans are rejoicing.

Actually, the PS1 was a CD addon for the SNES not the N64. The port on the bottom of the N64 is for the N64 DD or Dex Drive that was only released in Japan.

Your point is?


I beg to differ. The graphics are not any better than the gamecube, and the games are not any different. The only difference is the remote. If you call that next gen, then sony should have put the sixaxis on the ps2 and started selling it for $350. You guys are buying $100 console for $250 because it has a new remote

Most games on the ps3 do not support 1080p, just 720p/1080i. I spent the extra money on a system that has free online, blu ray player, and a shelf life of longer than 5 years. Resistance fall of man looks 10x better than halo 3. Could you imagine what games will look like in 3 years? It proves that microsoft is at its limits with the 360, while the ps3 is just getting started.


I was stating that if you can spend $250 on a console, you should go up a little more money and get a ps3. Imo its a better investment. I was looking on craigslist today, and saw ps3's selling for $400 and less.

Congrats on having a computer that plays games. I hope you enjoy sitting in a computer chair and staring at a small screen. I like sitting on my couch playing on my 47" with surround sound. "Different strokes for different folks". You could easily build a computer that will do alot more than the ps3 ever could, but how much is that going to cost? How soon will it need to be upgraded? With the ps3 I know every single game developed for it will always play witht any hiccups. Maybe down the line I will have to swap the hard drive, but at least nothing else will have to be touched.


Nintendo fanboys will whine once they grow up and realize kiddie games are not fun and want to play something besides cartoons. I know it can be fun playing baseball with people that dont have any legs, or shooting plungers at rabbits, but it will get old very soon. Especially with that novelty remote. Nintendo was stupid forcing that remote onto consumers. They should have made it an accessory and developed some games for it. I shouldnt be forced to play almost every single game with it

lastly I own a wii. It was given to me a b-day gift, but the thing never gets played. I played zelda for less than 2 weeks in december, and havent touched it since. My nephew comes over and plays wii sports, but thats about it.

Okay. First paragraph.

Graphics for the Wii aren't horrendous. They just SEEM that way because the 360 and PS3 are basicly superpowered. To me, this is just the same as being a spoiled brat. You get SO use to the good things, that when something that looks lower in standard comes up, you start freaking out and go "EWWW! Omg! Did you SEE that thing? It....It....OMG!" Just leave the graphics alone. Hell, I still play my SNES. Those graphics don't compare to those now, but the games are still awesome.

Second paragraph.
It's quite easy to hook a computer up to a large T.V. Hell, just get a projector for the same amount of money that it takes for a big screen HDTV, and you can take up a whole frickin wall. Simple enough. And yes, it costs more to buy a PC, but my warranty won't go away when I crack it open to upgrade, now will it? Say something goes wrong in your PS3 and you try to fix it yourself. Well, it's even worse now, and you ring Sony up. "Uhh...I'm sorry but we can't help you. You've disqualified your warranty." You have to get a whole new PS3. Lucky you.

Now let's view this with a PC. You try to fix something yourself, not knowing what you're doing, and you snap a wire or something. Well, you can either pay someone to fix it, or have someone you know fix it for free, or buy the replacement piece. On certain hardware inside the PC, you can get free parts to fix it.

And most PC's ARE out of date when they come out, but so are consoles. You just don't REALISE that they're out of date, because there aren't any others. Everything inside of each console is now old use, not new.

Third paragraph.
If noone wants to play cartoons, then why does every console have cartoon-based games? Hm? There's nothing wrong with cartoon games. You must consider yourself "hard core" just because you won't come out of the closet without having your Metal Gear Solid.

Shouldn't be forced on consumers, you say? Then why is Sony forcing Sixaxis on consumers? It's essentially the same idea, different housing. And you're not forced to play every game with it. That's why you can plug your Gamecube controller in, I do believe. Nintendo's controller is as much a novelty as you are. It gets old after a while and eventually disappears.

Last time i checked, i dont need to move the controller to jump or move things. Sixaxis also has buttons, all the buttons that were needed to play previous games. Forcing sixaxis? No, what kind of games are you playing.

Of course you will disqualify the warranty. They have to send you a whole new system.That would be stupid if you opened it, stabbed it with a screw driver and called them for a new one.

SNES graphics werent bad, for its time. Would you still buy a Wii if it had SNES graphics? For 250? Not really, im sure a lot would but hey, its Nintendo. I dont see how someone can be spoiled when it comes to that. Im only going to call your bluff and say "I spent $250 for a $99 Game Cube and $600 on a kick ass gaming console." If you havent check the 1.80 update for PS3, a lot of the things that made people cry cause it didnt have, have been added.

You wouldnt pay me $250 for a Wii then have me go to you few years later "Check it out"

You "Its a Wii...??"

"Nope, its a Us"

"Looks like a Wii"

"But its not"

"So whats different?"

"The controller, watch"

"Oh, ok. But it doesnt look graphicly better."

"Its not, just the controller"

"Could you have just put that on the Wii?"

"...No?"

"Works for me, how much?"

The Wii lacks logic so they sell to kids. They might as well make a metal loop and a stick. "Look at this, you keep the metal loop rolling by pushing it with this stick! So innovative."

Kick ass gaming console? More like home entertainment center. It's not just for gaming, which is the problem. If it were just for gaming, and not a trojan horse for the bluray, it would be the same price as the 360, and give Sony a profit instead of a massive loss. When you throw so many features in at one time and jam-pack the console, it tends to make things go much higher. In my opinion it's way too early for both Sony and Microsoft to start throwing down for HD, because it's not a big enough market to try and solely capture. Sony has an advantage because they sell more than just consoles, they sell HDTV's. Microsoft doesn't, and neither does Nintendo.

My figuring on the Wii being 250 is because the Gamecube didn't sell well, so they have to make up for the loss with the Wii because they are making a profit from it right now. I'm willing to bet there will be a major price drop come next year. Plus, when the Wii goes online, the extra sales they'll get then will push them up even further.

Nintendo really can't get slammed right now because of their graphics or online capabilities because they never were known for either of the two, and now that they're starting to show a little bit of an effort to make an entrance they're being ridiculed massively. But now the DS has come online and it's relatively good, especially for the price with the PSP now 20 dollars less than what it was, which still is way too high for it.

I love it 'cause Nintendo makes huge price cuts when it cuts, but Sony only does 20's. LOVE it.

I know I'm going towards an off-topic area, but I believe including the DS and PSP fits because they are part of the two parties we are speaking on.

As you have a 'learn how to spell' section, please tell me your post was ironic

Im really trying to understand why its bad Sony looked at the PS3 and thought "Well, with a HDD you should be able to store music and videos. Why just add one memory stick slot, lets make it compatible will all. The games it can make will be 2 disc DVD minimum, lets make a bigger storage to reduce disc swapping. Lets make online easy with cable and WiFi connection. It has to be backwards compatible, no reason it shouldnt." And much more.

Lets see what Nintendo was thinking. "Crap! We need to make up for lost revenue. Lets just get something out and make it cheap."

As far as the DS and PSP goes, PSP was selling more until DS Lite. That means Sony got it right the first time, they are the only company I know that hasnt made any changes to sell a product.

Still not enough? Ok, what was the biggest thing that came with a Wii update? Can i download games from VC and play them on the DS?

The Wii is to make money. They werent thinking about the customer, they were just thinking about themselves. Its hard for me to respect a company that wont respect its consumers. When a company listens to all the things people say they want in something and then they deliver it even though they will be losing money, is a great company in my book.

It is not a problem that it is a home entertainment system, which is what nintendo used to sell their NES. "the nintendooooo home entertainment systemmmmm". The 360 is actually the same price, no actually MORE than the ps3 when you consider the product. Put in wi-fi, xbox live which cost money, batteries for controllers, HD-DVD drive. IT all comes out to be more than the PS3. THe ps3, mind you, will have FREE internet play. This means, that if you play your xbox 360 online for 3 years, thats already an extra $150. Where as if you plan on playing the PS3 online for 3 years, thats... $0 extra. So you see, who is really saving money here? Its all about the bigger picture. The 360 looks to be selling for less, but they are milking you for money in other ways. This is smart because you dont even know you are giving them more money.

HD quality gameplay has been used in PC gaming for a long time now, and PC games are reaching the point where you need over 10gigs of space to play them. NOW is the most important time to have HD (meaning more storage space and higher resolution gameplay). So no, sony isnt ahead of their time. In fact, with the technology on the market right now, I believe we are behind schedule. We already have the technology for virtual reality, but its not mainstreamed yet, and we need to make it so. By the way, did you know that good artificial intellegence takes up a lot of disk space? If you want to play against some smart video game AI, you are gonna need something that can process and store a lot of data.




Thats exactly the reason why nintendo didnt try and compete with the advanced systems of microsoft and sony. Instead they wanted to make up for lost profit by selling a cheap console with a gimick (and its a good gimick..) which is the wiimote. Everything in the Wii is old tech, theres nothing very new about it. Nintendo makes a profit off of everything. You get what you pay for, and it shows. Not that this is bad if you dont fool yourself into thinking its more than it really is. I recognize what it was when i bought it, and I am happy with it. I will never say the wii is more than what it really is nor less.


I do not think you are really familiar with the PSP. The PSP is the most amazing handheld console to hit the market. Its normal price started off around the same as the nintendo wii, and since then has dropped ALOT. Much more than your 20 dollar spin. What is inside the PSP is much higher quality than that of the DS lite and it can do so much more. You get what you pay for, and in the case of the PSP, which IS cheap, you get a lot.

Guess what, the PSP has a second version coming out too, its going to be the PSP version of the DS lite. If the DS out sold the PSP only after the DS lite, then what will happen with the PSP2? What will happen when the PS3 fully interacts with the PSP and all of sonys plans begin to show?

Right now the PSP has the biggest library of games, all ps1 games, with homebrew you can play all nes, snes, gameboy, gba, sega, neo geo, some n64 games. Launch applications that let you paint, read ebooks, watch tv, movies, music, internet, GPS, sound mixing, home made games..ect

The tip of the iceberg has barely been touched. ;-)