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04-11-2007, 04:43 PM
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Sorry for double posting but ssbb_lover you did a hell of a job there. You do like to read. PEOPLE THE KID DOESN"T LIE lmao.....BUt the price will have to go down though. Once a product costs so much money in america. It has to drop the price after a while. I think its 6months or something else. But only so much money companys can make off the government for a certain amount of time.
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04-11-2007, 04:45 PM
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I get what you are saying but still i feel as if i wouldn't be surprise because it is the mature adults that are buying it for the kids.... But average gamer is different from hardcore gamers......... But if he suprise then it shows you that sony only focuses on adults.. i have never heard nintendo say they are focusing on one age group. It's not that they target different groups, its because the world make it seems as if nintendo is for kids. But if you say you only see kids with my product then obviously that's like saying its for kids. Most likely who every is buying your product is who it's for. so if most teens by a product then most likely its for teens. I feel as if sony never focus on nothing other than adult gamers. Crash was the closes game they had to a kid i think. and rapa da rapper or whatever it name.
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I think that was pretty blatant of Sony to just diss Nintendo by saying how he only saw DS's in the hands of kids, but PSP's, oh no.
"PSP's are for the adult gamer....ohh wait, did GP ask about how many KIDS have a PSP?....
Well at least we didn't release a PINK one! That's for sissy barbie huggin ninnies! *snort*....huh, we did that to?....
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Sorry for double posting but ssbb_lover you did a hell of a job there. You do like to read. PEOPLE THE KID DOESN"T LIE lmao.....BUt the price will have to go down though. Once a product costs so much money in america. It has to drop the price after a while. I think its 6months or something else. But only so much money companys can make off the government for a certain amount of time.
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Lol, i'll say it again. I hate reading...for some reason though...reading posts on Wiichat just makes it more...fun. Hey, can someone upload "To Kill A Mockingbird" and "Alas, Babylon"?
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04-11-2007, 04:50 PM
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Ssbb_lover now i see why sony fans talk the way they do because the head people of sony thinks the same way lmao. pink psp! Lmao..... They even trying to target the little girls. what is wrong with sony? lmao but i no he was dogging nintendo because he sees them as a real threat
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04-11-2007, 04:53 PM
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Ssbb_lover now i see why sony fans talk the way they do because the head people of sony thinks the same way lmao. pink psp! Lmao..... They even trying to target the little girls. what is wrong with sony? lmao but i no he was dogging nintendo because he sees them as a real threat
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Of course, the Wii is a huge/crucial success for Nintendo. They've gained a huge new fanbase, and have kept their old, that's an amazing goal to accomplish...all this means even better results for WiiNi.  (for those of you who don't know, that Wii #2 in Japanese)
....Wiini.... 
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04-11-2007, 04:55 PM
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ssbb that was an awesome analysis. sony has no gaming roots. Its got media, entertainment roots. Its trying to push all these extras that people don't want. We KNOW it has Blu Ray. Hardly anyone cares right now. Maybe down the line yeah but right now its not crucial. The 360 manages to have addons that people want and don't seem too excessive.
Lol at WiiNi...I might shoot someone if Nintendo does call it that. Although you gotta admit its going to be pretty hard to top "Wii". I'll always remember my first reaction to that name. "WHAT THE F*CK!?" I was loving "Revolution". Then they gave it the most kiddie sounding name of the millenium! I was like Nintendo deserves whatever catastrophe happens to it this time around. I'm done. But now a few months later I'm proud to say, "Wii will win".
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04-11-2007, 04:59 PM
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Yeah i know about the wiini from another forum when everybody was talking about how people place ii in everything. I forget you was in that thread to lol...... But my bad i should have said that you like reading long stuff on the forum but hate reading in generally lmao
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04-11-2007, 05:05 PM
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Umm you're trolling son. And now tampons and videogames can be used as analogies to one another. The bottom line is that sony will say anything to make this situation look extremely better than it really is. Yes we know they targeted the so called "hardcore gamer". But they forgot that hardcore gamer is a stereotype and a really stupid one at that. They come in all ages, colors, and sexes. Hence Nintendo is reaching BOTH "hardcore" and "causal" gamers. And in fact NEITHER is better than the other in my opinion so sony is losing out by doing that.
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Man you and your bias. Its so bad i could swim in it. He was talking about the target audience and the age group. You are confusing age group and hard core gamers.
You did not read the interview or you would have seen where he says he admires nintendo for their ability to market towards people at all angles.
He also admits their own problems "I would have rather said, "Coming in 2006" so that if we got it out on December 31st, we'd have delivered on the promise. And [if Sony had not promised a worldwide launch we could have been] given accolades for getting Japan and North America out at the same time. But if you say "worldwide" and you only get two of the three regions out, then you left yourself open. It's like making a Super Bowl prediction at the beginning of the season -- you're setting yourself up to fail."
I like his honesty, but you dont seem to see it with a balanced open mind. You demonize everything sony, you admit it all the time. Why bother posting here at all if you hate sony so much? I dont get it. No, you sir are a troll.
As for the tampons analogy, it fits perfectly (pun intended) with the game argument. Why? Because in the interview he said sony had a specific age range they were going for and something the younger audiences can grow up to like within that 10 years. Kind of like a tampon for lil girls, they dont need it now but hey couple years down the line they might be interested. Its something you grow into, and that was his argument concerning the target audience.
I wont be suprised if you cant grasp this, you wear a bias filter as if they were sunglasses.
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You posted the article as flame bait and thats what you're probably going to get. Me saying it was ridiculous was a statement of an opinion. DEAL WITH IT. I like reading it but I found it to be 90% bullshit and 10% bitching.
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Really, so now miss cleo you are predicting my intentions behind this INTERVIEW. Notice where i posted the interview, its neutral. The title of the interview is called Sony Strikes Back. Do a google search on it. I also state its EDUCATIONAL, because it gives some insight as to how Sony is looking at it. I like how the guy admits their faults and compliments their competitors, but also throws in some information as to how it is internally with them. Its very neutral and up front. You dont see that. Im sorry.
No, no flame bait there, just an interview with the CEO of Sony america in the PS3 SUBSECTION. <--- pay attention now.
Most of the time, you are a troll. You thread crap the stuff you hate, and ball lick the stuff you love.
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04-11-2007, 05:15 PM
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Ssbb_lover now i see why sony fans talk the way they do because the head people of sony thinks the same way lmao. pink psp! Lmao..... They even trying to target the little girls. what is wrong with sony? lmao but i no he was dogging nintendo because he sees them as a real threat
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I think that was pretty blatant of Sony to just diss Nintendo by saying how he only saw DS's in the hands of kids, but PSP's, oh no.
"PSP's are for the adult gamer....ohh wait, did GP ask about how many KIDS have a PSP?....
Well at least we didn't release a PINK one! That's for sissy barbie huggin ninnies! *snort*....huh, we did that to?....
...Damnit."
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Lol nicely put SSBB. Funny too.
Again i need to remind people it was a Promo for the Artist PINK.
He also goes on to say: "One of the things that I always admired about Nintendo, with its portable strategy, is that they could attack the consumer from many angles."
I wont lie, i have never seen an adult play the DS when out and about. Kids love the DS, and marketing towards kids is very profitable. McDonnalds got where it was today because of kids.. Same with nintendo. A lot of those kids grew up and here we are.
Wiini.. eh. I hope Wiini is bigger because I dont like it when my small Wiichii. (ok that was a lame joke. Big Wiinie as in a Shlong and Wiichi is itchy wiiwii, Ichi is 1 in Nihongo)
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04-11-2007, 05:18 PM
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Shift that is not making anything better you know....... Why make a last statement like that because i've seen masterjedi2u have a post in the xbox section where he is trying to find out about how this thing works.... So you can't say stuff like that man...
I don't agree with the sony ceo on a piece where he said when you target alot of different groups you set up yourself to fail. I think thats dumb because how come sony always targets at the adult gamers, they never branch out to say lets get to the kids..... I dont agree with that i feel its best to have a system where everyone can relate to and not just adults. i don't think you are setting up your self to fail if you target more than one group because you will never be able to target everybody because everyone has different taste. Just attract who you can.
" mom i want a ps3"
"wait mikey, not until the children games come out for it"
Look how stupid it sounds. it's best to have a variety and not target one set of people. Thats like being sexiest or racist.
but with that superbowl eg u use......... He is basically doing that by putting all of his votes in one set of team because sony honestly feels as if, if they target the adults they win the war. but they must also realise that these adult gamers are having kids to lol
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04-11-2007, 05:28 PM
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hey it depends on what type of pink it is lol....... Because the gameboy advance was fushia pink. That was a good color. I had me one of those ones and everybody wanted to buy it from me lol.But hey i just can't see them doing a pink one even because of the artist pink. Because little girls usually would get something pink. But anyway it was only limited.
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04-11-2007, 05:32 PM
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I didn't know the pink psp was limited edition lol but I was surprised to see it, Sony is very "male-orientated", the majority of their games are marketed towards men..and boys so a pink psp seems kinda redundant but w/e..if I wanted one I would buy the pink one.
But with the whole target audience thing..I think it largely depends on the company tbh..I don't think Sony would do very well if they aimed at children. But Nintendo have Mario and Pokemon which appeal to children..plus the majority of games released for nintendo systems have more childish graphics..Sony is more focused on graphics and sound quality that look/sound realistic, the majority of CHILDREN don't care about that.
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04-11-2007, 05:38 PM
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Shift that is not making anything better you know....... Why make a last statement like that because i've seen masterjedi2u have a post in the xbox section where he is trying to find out about how this thing works.... So you can't say stuff like that man...
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well, no I can. Because he has continually admitted to hating Sony and demonizing them. He appears in every thread to say something bad about it. On numerous occations has attacked me as a poster. So no i have no sympathy for his pathatic thread crapping. He admitted the Mods were wrong for the fanboyism rule in this forum, and that he will go agaist them because they wont do anything about it. He is closed minded, and when asked never bothers to back up the wild claims he makes. My response was good enough, but could have been harsher.
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I don't agree with the sony ceo on a piece where he said when you target alot of different groups you set up yourself to fail. I think thats dumb because how come sony always targets at the adult gamers, they never branch out to say lets get to the kids..... I dont agree with that i feel its best to have a system where everyone can relate to and not just adults. i don't think you are setting up your self to fail if you target more than one group because you will never be able to target everybody because everyone has different taste. Just attract who you can.
" mom i want a ps3"
"wait mikey, not until the children games come out for it"
Look how stupid it sounds. it's best to have a variety and not target one set of people. Thats like being sexiest or racist.
but with that superbowl eg u use......... He is basically doing that by putting all of his votes in one set of team because sony honestly feels as if, if they target the adults they win the war. but they must also realise that these adult gamers are having kids to lol
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He said "But we'll soon start the second phase, where we reach down to the teen market, and ultimately to the younger consumer [with the PSP]. But if you try to be everything to everybody from day one, you'll alienate a significant portion of the population. When I look at people in the street, it isn't surprising for me to see somebody in his twenties playing a PSP. I am surprised to see a little kid playing a PSP. Conversely, I've never really seen many adults playing [the DS], but I see a lot of little kids. We've always felt that people want to be like their older brother; they don't want to be like a little kid. I think in time, as the PSP matures, you should reach out the younger consumer. We like to start out with the early adopters and branch out from there. You can take the shotgun approach and go after everybody from day one."
While i dont agree with absolutely every thing he says, I do feel its important to point out some things.
I am a firm believer in that phrase "If you chace two rabbits, you will lose them both." Catch one rabbit at a time and you can have both.
The Wii did an amazing job at marketing to such a large target audience. But its fair to say that Sony is not leaving kids out of the loop, rather they are taking it one rabbit at a time. When you specialize in one field, you excel at it, when you become the jack of all trades, you become the master of none.
I also want to point out that he said that he believes in this day and age people end up buying more than one system. I dont believe Sony is trying to win the war persay, rather have a product that lasts awhile and is multifunctional. They want to make an appliance for entertainment.
If you read the interview with an open mind, no bias, you start to see that hes speaking very down to earth here. Some of it is his opinion and not fact, others state where Sony is coming from and their plans. Only time will show the success of the PS3, but the people who run these companys are people. Those people create products and have their own personal feelings. Companies are not so much machines as they are a group of humans around a table. Each human is just like me and you.
anyways.. just a bit o bits from me to you. Nothing personal.
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04-11-2007, 05:47 PM
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I didn't know the pink psp was limited edition lol but I was surprised to see it, Sony is very "male-orientated", the majority of their games are marketed towards men..and boys so a pink psp seems kinda redundant but w/e..if I wanted one I would buy the pink one.
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Well this is what the dealio is supposed to be. I have yet to see a regular pink psp in the US of A.
Now the guy in the interview is speaking on behalf of Sony America.
The pink PSP came out in october in Europe from what I know. They have their own branch over there. So my guess is the CEO of the Sony over there made the decision to market the PSP that way for his geographic area.
The Pink PSP that did appear in the US of A i believe was a promo PSP promotoing the artist PINK.
We have to keep in mind this guy in the interview is speaking about the USA, because hes in charge of that branch.
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04-11-2007, 05:50 PM
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Really shift? I could care less. Be as harsh as you want. Its the internet. You obviously get some sorta sick pleasure out of being here and attacking people on a daily basis. Keep talking all the shit you want to. Keep thinking this is some sorta personal vendetta that you HAVE to win at any means necessary. Its not going to stop me from posting where and when I want to. Despite how your twisted mind might view it I actually post in a vareity of the forums here. NOT just the p$3 one. And I ask questions and answer them as well if they are worthwhile questions. I don't bash sony everytime I get the chance. I'm stated numerously that they have a few great games and no one can argue that the PS2 was a great system. Really you're the flamer here. That interview was dumb and more PR for sony to get out into the world.
Wild claims? Against the mods? You're completely over the top. And oh yeah you've NEVER once answered any of MY questions so why the hell would I have enough respect to answer any of yours sony fanboy. I might like Nintendo and despise sony but at least I can admit it. Looking forward to your next attack. At least you've admitted that some of that interview was just pure opinion.
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04-11-2007, 05:50 PM
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Well for me i don't like sony mainly because of it's fans. that's just me because i don't go around bad mouthing any console. But even though i dislike sony. I would still play it for a while but it will never be my main console.
But i am approaching it unbiasly. I would agree with him but sony has been out from 1997 or 1998 and this is their what 5th system and they are still targeting one group. That's why i disagree with it because if they was new then i would say hey i agree because you want to at least have those set of fans on your side. And they do have those set of fans, so why focus even more on them when you could win over another group. But look at it like this shift. what if you target one audience and that audience fall you. Now you have no rabbit. I think they should target atleast two groups. you have adults, teens,children, and mid adults. all arrange from 5years old to 40.... i just feel like sony has never tried to run after the next rabbit even after they caught the other one... The PS was not as bad with one rabbit but the PS2 really start of the one rabbit patrol
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04-11-2007, 06:00 PM
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ssbb that was an awesome analysis. sony has no gaming roots. Its got media, entertainment roots. Its trying to push all these extras that people don't want. We KNOW it has Blu Ray. Hardly anyone cares right now. Maybe down the line yeah but right now its not crucial. The 360 manages to have addons that people want and don't seem too excessive.
Lol at WiiNi...I might shoot someone if Nintendo does call it that. Although you gotta admit its going to be pretty hard to top "Wii". I'll always remember my first reaction to that name. "WHAT THE F*CK!?" I was loving "Revolution". Then they gave it the most kiddie sounding name of the millenium! I was like Nintendo deserves whatever catastrophe happens to it this time around. I'm done. But now a few months later I'm proud to say, "Wii will win".
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