Sony Strikes Back

Shiftfallout · 04-12-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertking1123

playin a portable mame nes snes. i might buy one. after the price drop of course. lol

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As the first official price cut for Sony's handheld device, the core PSP package has been slashed by $30 to an MSRP of $169.99.

PS: Yeah SSBB is far far far from being a fanboy.

Robertking1123 · 04-12-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYkVRYCm_UQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLHZXqTphhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7WnfLrgFHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1E0T9OJyg

PS: Yeah SSBB is far far far from being a fanboy.

In peter griffins voice: THAT IS AWWWWSOME

ssbb_lover · 04-12-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYkVRYCm_UQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLHZXqTphhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7WnfLrgFHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1E0T9OJyg

PS: Yeah SSBB is far far far from being a fanboy.

Thank you very much.

Those vids are great, thanks for those as well. I'm definitely considering adding the PSP to my entourage of gameboys.

hotpotato78 · 04-12-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

This also means its a great system to buy along side another gaming system. Many gamers do not stick to just one system. So really the war is between PS3 and 360. Nintendo Wii is not even part of that war, its the only thing like it on the market and its cheap. So no matter how many units the wii sells, its not kicking anyones butts because its in a whole different ball game.

I heard somebody else made a statement close to this and i disagreed with them and i will tell you why i do... You could be meaning good or bad by this. but last time i check nintendo is a gaming company so that means they are in the race. Each of those 3 companys have different specialities. mircosoft is a computers. Sony specialize in Electronic and nintendo is strickly gaming. But even though they all have specialities, they still are each others competetion and they can break or make the other. So stop saying that the wii is not in the same ball game. the developers will choice between those three, which cases them to be in the same race, regardless of who has a fancy controller or high graphics or good internet support... so that's my only problem with that mainly. it is their competetior. But i do agree that is a good system to buy along with the others but it can also be vice versa. think about it.

jmsjamz · 04-12-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hotpotato78

My thing is right, why does everybody feels like you have to be in your mid 20's to be a hardcore gamer..i will have to read that piece by piece shift, that is very long. lmao He basically said nintendo was kiddie though lmao If the ds stored music and movies, adults would play it just as much......... i think sony needs to get real because they only target the older people. how could you be surprise to see a kid with a psp. IT'S A GAME FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

the thing that rlly annoys me is him calling Nintendo kiddie. just becuz it does hav a large 10nd under consumer base many teens and adults can enjoy it just as much. this guy is the only hater here. its that kind of talk that will turn older buyers away from a system. this is what will make my parents tell me "thats 2 kiddy". Shameful sony.

Robertking1123 · 04-13-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jmsjamz

the thing that rlly annoys me is him calling Nintendo kiddie. just becuz it does hav a large 10nd under consumer base many teens and adults can enjoy it just as much. this guy is the only hater here. its that kind of talk that will turn older buyers away from a system. this is what will make my parents tell me "thats 2 kiddy". Shameful sony.

i dont see how a kiddy system could have MK:armageddon, manhunt2, some other m rated games. i trip out when people say its kiddy.

Shiftfallout · 04-13-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jmsjamz

the thing that rlly annoys me is him calling Nintendo kiddie. just becuz it does hav a large 10nd under consumer base many teens and adults can enjoy it just as much. this guy is the only hater here. its that kind of talk that will turn older buyers away from a system. this is what will make my parents tell me "thats 2 kiddy". Shameful sony.

wait where does he say nintendo is kiddy? It seems to me that a lot of people are putting intent where none was clearly stated. Jumping to conclusions?

theres nothing wrong towards marketing to the younger audiences, thats how mcdonalds became the superpower it is.

hotpotato78 · 04-13-2007, 12:06 AM

robert you are so right but yet nintendo will always have the image like i have said because of sony fans........

jmsjamz trust me shift isn't close to being the only hater. their are plenty more of those haters but alot of them do get banned after showing themselfs....... But i won't say nothing about shift because he says he owns a wii.

But do you see where i am coming from shift?

ssbb_lover · 04-13-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

wait where does he say nintendo is kiddy? It seems to me that a lot of people are putting intent where none was clearly stated. Jumping to conclusions?

theres nothing wrong towards marketing to the younger audiences, thats how mcdonalds became the superpower it is.

I think he's referring to remarks like when he says something like, "When I see people with the PSP in their hands, they're 20 year olds; but, when I see the DS, it's generally being handled by a kid." He doesn't say it directly, but he does hint towards it.

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A couple of quotes where he's indirectly saying this:

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Originally Posted by John Tretton

With the PSP, we didn't try to be everything to everybody. We didn't sell four-year-olds little pink PSPs. We targeted the mid-20's audience, hardcore console gamers. And we did a nice job of carving out that market, to the tune of over 25 million PSPs worldwide in less than two years.

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Originally Posted by John Tretton

When I look at people in the street, it isn't surprising for me to see somebody in his twenties playing a PSP. I am surprised to see a little kid playing a PSP. Conversely, I've never really seen many adults playing [the DS], but I see a lot of little kids. We've always felt that people want to be like their older brother; they don't want to be like a little kid.

Shiftfallout · 04-13-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ssbb_lover

I think he's referring to remarks like when he says something like, "When I see people with the PSP in their hands, they're 20 year olds; but, when I see the DS, it's generally being handled by a kid." He doesn't say it directly, but he does hint towards it.

But isnt he referring to being suprised when he finds kids playing the PSP? I think its concerning the marketing tactics and buying habbits of parents. I did not read it as him saying anything bad about nintendo at all, in fact he said he admires nintendos ability to target audiences at multipul angles. Meaning everybody, where sony is just focusing on one group at a time.

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One of the things that I always admired about Nintendo, with its portable strategy, is that they could attack the consumer from many angles. They aren't just in the console business; they're in the portable business.

then hes asked the question by the interviewer: GP: I've been seeing more kids with PSPs, which surprises me (it's expensive). People are still out there buying the PSP. That says a lot.

Then he responds with

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But we'll soon start the second phase, where we reach down to the teen market, and ultimately to the younger consumer [with the PSP]. But if you try to be everything to everybody from day one, you'll alienate a significant portion of the population. When I look at people in the street, it isn't surprising for me to see somebody in his twenties playing a PSP. I am surprised to see a little kid playing a PSP. Conversely, I've never really seen many adults playing [the DS], but I see a lot of little kids. We've always felt that people want to be like their older brother; they don't want to be like a little kid.

I dunno about you, but i saw this as him talking about how they view the market in terms of strategy. Hes saying that from what he sees, and i have to agree, that he does not see a lot of adults playing the DS in public. He is not suprised when he sees kids playing the DS, but is suprised when he finds Kids playing the PSP. And vice versa, it shows how hes viewing how the marketing tactics are playing out. He states that they do intend to target younger audiences. Kids are a huge market, but its how the general market views the product. Obviously parents are viewing the DS as a kid safe product, however hes suprised because it seems like some also see the PSP that way before Sony even marketed towards them.

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Originally Posted by hotpotato78

jmsjamz trust me shift isn't close to being the only hater. their are plenty more of those haters but alot of them do get banned after showing themselfs....... But i won't say nothing about shift because he says he owns a wii.

But do you see where i am coming from shift?

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Im far from being a hater. I dont hate on any system, but i do come under attack a lot. Your post for example proves this. Why bother saying you wont say anything when you just did. The pot calling the kettle black.

hotpotato78 · 04-13-2007, 12:30 AM

Shift he price between the DS and the PSP is not that big of a deal. Now the wii and ps# has a big price difference.

DS cost $129.99
PSP cost $169

So that would cost me to disagree with you......... He is simply saying nintendo is for kids and psp are for growns ups. NO matter how you like it because he couldn't be suprised because of the price. And like i said the PSP is a game for crying out loud

ssbb_lover · 04-13-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

But isnt he referring to being suprised when he finds kids playing the PSP? I think its concerning the marketing tactics and buying habbits of parents. I did not read it as him saying anything bad about nintendo at all, in fact he said he admires nintendos ability to target audiences at multipul angles. Meaning everybody, where sony is just focusing on one group at a time.

My point, he's surprised when he sees kids playing the PSP (because it's targeted towards the teen-adult audience) and when adults are playing the DS (because it's targeted towards the child audience). It just sounds like he's indirectly calling the DS a "childish system", that's all.

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

I dunno about you, but i saw this as him talking about how they view the market in terms of strategy. Hes saying that from what he sees, and i have to agree, that he does not see a lot of adults playing the DS in public. He is not suprised when he sees kids playing the DS, but is suprised when he finds Kids playing the PSP. And vice versa, it shows how hes viewing how the marketing tactics are playing out. He states that they do intend to target younger audiences. Kids are a huge market, but its how the general market views the product. Obviously parents are viewing the DS as a kid safe product, however hes suprised because it seems like some also see the PSP that way before Sony even marketed towards them.

I could probably copy + paste my last paragraph here and it would make since, but i'm sure you don't want to read it twice...

Shiftfallout · 04-13-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hotpotato78

Shift he price between the DS and the PSP is not that big of a deal. Now the wii and ps# has a big price difference.

DS cost $129.99
PSP cost $169

So that would cost me to disagree with you......... He is simply saying nintendo is for kids and psp are for growns ups. NO matter how you like it because he couldn't be suprised because of the price. And like i said the PSP is a game for crying out loud

You really dont get it do you?
The PSP used to be $250. It just recently had a price cut.

No matter how you look at it, 250 is considered a lot for a portable game console, just like the PS3 is considered a lot for home console system. Cant you be reasonable? If you have decided to never budge from what you decided to argue then this debate will go no where.

As for what he said, thats how you are interpetiting it. He does not say right out that kids playing a system that was marketed towards them is bad. Are you ashamed kids like playing the DS? Remember when i said hes talking about how they were marketed? well price plays a role in that. A price of 250 is not kid friendly. Now lets see, theres a price cut which makes it more accessable. However the interface is still fairly complicated. Its entirely possible in the hands of an unexperienced user to kill your PSP's bios. Its a fairly complicated system.

ssbb_lover · 04-13-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout

A price of 250 is not kid friendly.

Just a question. You must be talking about portable systems right? Because the Wii is generalized as a kiddie system, or even if it's not (and it isn't IMO) it's being bought for many children, and the price is $250.

Probably sounds like i'm trying to start another argument, but i'm just confirming what you're saying, maybe less people will try to argue with you that way. :/

MasterJedi2U · 04-13-2007, 12:49 AM

The guy is taking subtle pokes at Nintendo and trying to hide them up as compliments. Besides that I think that once again sony overdid it when it came to the PSP. Its got too much crap that I don't really need. Graphics are great. No one is denying that. I think a game that can make me look at it in awe for 20 minutes deserves praise and credit but if it comes at the expense of good solid game play or its attached with other stuff I don't want or need then I'm not going to buy the system.

The graphics no the DS aren't that bad. Yes they might be lower quality than the PSP but the games are far more numerous and fun. Hence why my little brother is getting one for his birthday. Heck even I want one although I don't know if I'll have the time to enjoy playing it what with my Wii and possible 360 on the way.

P.S. Has anyone bought a HD DVD or Blu Ray dvd player? Why? The reason I ask is because I feel like these current/recent models for both formats are good but they're going to be obselete in a few years right? Aren't they still toying with the technology and trying to improve on it? I guess what I'm saying is that newer, better models will come out by the time the winning format is established so wouldn't it be better to wait until THEN to get either or?

Shiftfallout · 04-13-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ssbb_lover

Just a question. You must be talking about portable systems right? Because the Wii is generalized as a kiddie system, or even if it's not (and it isn't IMO) it's being bought for many children, and the price is $250.

Probably sounds like i'm trying to start another argument, but i'm just confirming what you're saying, maybe less people will try to argue with you that way. :/

yep. The whole conversation was about his remarks concerning the portable systems, though some are trying to mix in the full on consoles into it.

Who cares what the wii is generalized as though, it doesnt matter because it sells. Its no lie though that nintendo has targeted children aggresively more so than sticking to their older gamers. I think a lot of frustration that some gamers throw at nintendo is because they used to be nintendo fans when they were kids but felt that nintendo did not grow up with them. I felt that way with the zelda series, which seemed to be getting more .. toony and childish. However im glad that at least twilight princess is going back to a more mature Link.

Nah dont worry about SSBB, people will try to argue with me anyway i put it. Im tagged as a sony supporter and there for must be = to the devil himself.

also just the hell of it, i think this is a fairly good balanced video to show.
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