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04-14-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout
You forget, the PS3 has a lot of wonderful games online that you can download, Home is around the corner and the Online downloads are growing daily.
So you see, you dont need the blue ray, but it would be stupid to take it out.
Dont forget the point of this debate, no one is forcing anyone to buy the PS3, no one is forcing Blue Ray down their throat. If they dont like the package, then DONT buy it. Its that simple.
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That's correct.. if you don't want it don't buy. But that's not the same for trail mix that was my point. even though you might now like a certain part, you still can buy it and eat the others....... BUt when people say forcig down their throat, they mean that if they buy a ps3, they don't have a choice but to buy it with the blue. That's what makes it LOOKS like forcing it down somebody choice.
If it was like this where, the ps3 came in packages then people could not say it. for example like dell. dell is advertising that you can build your pc. just say what you want and they make it for you. So their is nothing being force because if you don't want a dvd burner just tell them you don't but thats not the same for the PS3. it's not like you can call sony and tell them don't blu ray in yours because you won't be able to play their games without a blue ray player and you know that.
and your wrong shift, the main focus of buying a console is to focus on what it's main speciality is. The online downloads are just a plus. The ps3 games are the main attraction, which happens to be on a blu ray disc. So therefore you do need the blu ray.
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04-15-2007, 02:52 AM
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And that's why the PS3 is losing the console war atm. 
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Losing? No.. no one is losing. Its too early to tell, wait till after the half game show to make an estimation. What we do know is that for a 499-599 system, it has sold over 2.5 million units within a few short months. Wii at half the cost is around 5 mill, and 360 which has been around for over a year has about 12 million.
No one can be losing because the game has just started ::evil chuckle:: mwahahahaha... haha.. .... Sorry had a bad Jonny 5 moment there.
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04-15-2007, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiftfallout
Losing? No.. no one is losing. Its too early to tell, wait till after the half game show to make an estimation. What we do know is that for a 499-599 system, it has sold over 2.5 million units within a few short months. Wii at half the cost is around 5 mill, and 360 which has been around for over a year has about 12 million.
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Of course it's too early to tell, tis why I said, "And that's why the PS3 is losing atm.  " Atm = at the moment.  I honestly have no 100% conclusion of who will win in the end of this generation; but because of the price, future games, and the audience it's targeted towards, I'm about 75%-85% sure the Wii will win tbh.
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No one can be losing because the game has just started ::evil chuckle:: mwahahahaha... haha.. .... Sorry had a bad Jonny 5 moment there.
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04-15-2007, 03:32 AM
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No one can be losing because the game has just started ::evil chuckle:: mwahahahaha... haha.. .... Sorry had a bad Jonny 5 moment there.
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i honestly dont understand your jokes, are they meant 2 b offensive? 
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04-15-2007, 03:52 AM
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Losing? No.. no one is losing. Its too early to tell, wait till after the half game show to make an estimation.
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yes, in a "war" someone is always losing. It doesnt necessarily mean that they are going to lose though. In fact, sometimes the combatants are so busy planning for the later stages of the "war", they dont care about whats happening in the early stages. And i personally think that from 2009-2011 the ps3 will be the #1 selling console. But they might have dug a hole to deep by then to actually win the "war". Maybe at some point, it will be winning.
But as of right now, you cant say its not losing.
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04-15-2007, 04:03 AM
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but the time ps3 begins winning everyone will be looking for the next big thing.
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04-15-2007, 05:40 AM
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i honestly dont understand your jokes, are they meant 2 b offensive? 
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do a google search for johnny5. Your answers lie there and the 1980s movie responsible for it. Im guessing you are too young to know who Johnny 5 is then.
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yes, in a "war" someone is always losing. It doesnt necessarily mean that they are going to lose though. In fact, sometimes the combatants are so busy planning for the later stages of the "war", they dont care about whats happening in the early stages. And i personally think that from 2009-2011 the ps3 will be the #1 selling console. But they might have dug a hole to deep by then to actually win the "war". Maybe at some point, it will be winning.
But as of right now, you cant say its not losing.
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How do you lose when you intended the results? Sony want expecting nor intending to be the top seller at launch. They know darn well that their game selection is minimal and that their systems are more expensive, not ready for many consumers just yet. They said they dont expect to be out on top, and it just so happened that way. So can you lose when you intended?
I believe nintendo isnt even part of this war to be honest. The system is just too different from the 360 and PS3. If anything its m$ and $ony competing for the same target audience. Microsoft has a year head start on sony. Sony has sold more ps3s than Microsoft did on their launch periods. So whos really losing? Its too early to say. But PS3 is looking better than the 360 did at launch.
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04-15-2007, 07:12 AM
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jonny 5 alive!!! i love that movie.
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04-15-2007, 08:20 AM
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It takes 1-3 years to make a quality game. Developers can't just turn around and make a PS3 game spawn from blank space. They need time. Even if it's a port, they still need time to make it. If the developers abandon ship this early how will Sony get them back? This is what killed NGage, Neo Geo, Saturn, and scores of other systems. Game developers simply stopped making the bulk of exclusive quality games for them.
Capcom announced Lost Planet port for the PC and not the PS3. The PS3 will float or sink on their games. That's why you make a game console. I bet everything on one game. MGS4. If Sony loses that final exclusive game it's all over.
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04-15-2007, 08:27 AM
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I think sony will see a boost in sales if they retain exclusivity to both MGS4 and Final Fantasy 13. If both games also meet fans expectation visually, gameplay, e.t.c and get good ratings win awards then PS3 will be a nce console to get...at least for a while. They need more great exclusves.
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04-15-2007, 07:30 PM
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idk the saturn had a few good games that did save it from failure. most of those marvel and capcom games where on the saturn (im assuming everyone likes those games) but it wasnt enough to get sales.
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04-15-2007, 08:00 PM
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They cant Strike back 1000 times as the numbers are the PS3 has less than 3 million units sold, while the Wii has 6.5 and is still sold out and hard to get and of course the 360 leads with abut 10.5 million units sold. So they can keep striking but it does them no good.
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04-20-2007, 10:26 AM
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05-30-2007, 04:28 PM
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They cant Strike back 1000 times as the numbers are the PS3 has less than 3 million units sold, while the Wii has 6.5 and is still sold out and hard to get and of course the 360 leads with abut 10.5 million units sold. So they can keep striking but it does them no good.
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Im not so sure about what your saying!!!
There are SEVEN WAYS ON HOW THE PS3 CAN TURN THIS TIDE AROUND!
(1. Admit there is a slight problem. No one likes to admit they're wrong. And we're not saying all is lost for the PS3; far from it, in fact. But it hasn't been the best start especially considering that over the last two generations, the PS3 sold worse in the first six months than any other console, including the soft-selling GameCube. Rather than take offense or assume there is some mass conspiracy against them, Sony could turn the situation into a positive by asking and listening to the majority of gamers as to what it would take to earn their business. Sony doesn't need to save face at the moment. They need to sell systems.
2. Acknowledge the high price. I don't think I've encountered any logical person that isn't impressed with the PS3's technology. She really is a beaut. But the dancing around her high price has got to stop. Every time the system is mentioned, its price instantly becomes the elephant in the room. You want to get excited for the games, but your inner-economist just won't let you. Fact: Sony's console price doubled in just less than seven years since first releasing the PS2 for $300. I'm no expert, but that has to be one of the highest relative price increases in recent history. The short-term solution: acknowledge the high price rather than making excuses for it.
3. Drop the PS3's price, like NOW! The NPD aptly summed up the PS3's dismal sales last month: "While there has been good content available for the [PS3], there hasn't yet been the 'killer' title that tends to drive hardware sales acquisition among the broader audience. As the content ramps up, we're confident the hardware sales will too." Agree to disagree. There have been some solid games hitting the PS3 already (Resistance and MotorStorm, anyone?). The real issue is that it's difficult for most gamers to justify the $660 asking price (console + one game), not that they're waiting for games. It's doubtful that most gamers would even be willing to pay that much for the next Mario or Halo game. Hence, Sony seems to have underestimated gamers' sensitivity to high prices. "What should they do?" you ask. Drop the price by $100 right now then by another $100 six months from now. This tactic may be unheard of, and Sony will incur even more losses on hardware. But they're in it for the long haul, right?
4. Hire ninja lawyers to write more exclusive game deals. It has been said that Sony has the best relationship with third-party publishers and developers. But those relationships appear to be waning while Microsoft wines and dines developers away and early Wii success shifts the focus to a new, cheaper way of making games. Granted, the third-party exclusive may have lost its luster since the last-generation, but it still helps move hardware. Sony should bend over backwards to keep and woo publishers in their favor.
5. Promote the thing as a game console, not a supercomputer. Again, the PS3 is capable of doing just about everything besides filing your taxes. Everyone likes extras, but Sony needs to market the PS3 as its name implies: a play station to "play" video games first. Movies, music and other content should come secondary. If the systems ends up being used as a computer like the PS2 was used as a DVD player, all the better for Sony. But last time I checked, the PS3 was selling in the video game department at retail, so let's keep it that way. Either market the machine as a video game console or rebrand it as the Sony ComputerStation and sell it at CompUSA.
6. Make the system easier to develop for. To ensure that more games grace the console, Sony needs to help developers use the Cell processor, something it currently don't appear to be doing to its full potential. The common belief is that the Cell is difficult to develop on, thus its benefits are still untapped. If the PS3 processor is in fact twice as fast as the 360 and googles faster than Wii, Sony would be wise to bank on what its competitors are incapable of doing. To offset developer learning curves, how about waiving a set number of licensing fees to publishers? That's sure to get people excited to develop for the PS3.
7. More games, please! Assuming Sony gets the price to a more tolerable point, games are sure to open the flood gates further still. Though disputable, I'd argue Nintendo and Sony are tied for first when it comes to stellar first-party games (sorry Microsoft). Sony should start announcing and showing games like never before. Just show me Shadow of Colossus 2 or something of similar importance, and I'll be doing Chris Farley cartwheels. For real.
Sony has upped the PS3's chances already by keeping their feet out of their mouths, announcing the well-received Home, LittleBigPlanet and @Home folding projects, and showing off countless titles at their recent Gamers Day event. Even then, some dispute our hasty remedy. "I don't think Sony needs or wants a quick fix," industry analyst Michael Pachter tells us. "They're not worried about being outsold by the competition at the moment. They're in it to maximize profits over a 10 year period."
Yes, the 10 year PS3 lifecycle aspiration. But you can't last 10 years without first lasting five.)
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05-30-2007, 04:35 PM
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CyanRussel, I agree with your post. The PS3 is a video game system. It needs games. The dumbest move Sony made was getting rid of the $500 version. Any consideration I had of the system is now gone. If they price dropped the $500 version it would have sold far better.
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CyanRussel, I agree with your post. The PS3 is a video game system. It needs games. The dumbest move Sony made was getting rid of the $500 version. Any consideration I had of the system is now gone. If they price dropped the $500 version it would have sold far better.
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Yea, at least you get what im saying, i had a little bit of help or some help on this article but, this is basically what Sony needs to do, and if they dont do this, then think about what their future will turn out to be like!
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05-31-2007, 05:25 AM
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Not picking on you or anything, but I feel you might be confused about how the system works.
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Im not so sure about what your saying!!!
There are SEVEN WAYS ON HOW THE PS3 CAN TURN THIS TIDE AROUND!
(1. Admit there is a slight problem. No one likes to admit they're wrong. And we're not saying all is lost for the PS3; far from it, in fact. But it hasn't been the best start especially considering that over the last two generations, the PS3 sold worse in the first six months than any other console, including the soft-selling GameCube. Rather than take offense or assume there is some mass conspiracy against them, Sony could turn the situation into a positive by asking and listening to the majority of gamers as to what it would take to earn their business. Sony doesn't need to save face at the moment. They need to sell systems.
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This is wrong. Sorry. A strong beginning does not equal a strong end. Selling more consoles within the first few months doesnt mean a thing. Its a moot point when people assume its a usable excuse for how good a system is. Something good does not have to sell well to be good.
Lets look at it like this.. Sony has a console that they lose money on. All their plans for the PS3 are still in developement... why would they want the PS3 to sell well before their projects are ready for release? They dont. It doesnt matter at this point. Think of the ps3 as an early launch and you will have your answer. The good stuff | |