sagema

Funny how no one takes me up on my offer to bet Sony won't be #1 this console wars ever. Despite their massive ownership of press propaganda. The truth shouldn't be based on who has the biggest mouth.

Shiftfallout

do you honestly believe someone would make a bet over the internet? you said something noobish and thats why no one bothered responding. Btw, your bias and spin is duely noted, as always. Honestly im not sure anyone takes you seriously in this section.

Squall7

Way to go to prove a point. I cannot afford a PS3 and I don't live with my parent's anymore. I'm a student and I couldn't afford what's neccessary to buy a PS3. And what about those people that don't actually want one? At least not yet. This shows just how much of a fanboy you really are. I expected better of you shift.

So, just because you earn enough to get a PS3, everyone else should as well? I can guarantee $600 is not nothing, same as £425 isn't nothing. You've got a warped sense of reality. In the end, it really will be only people like you that buy the PS3, as they can afford anything that's needed to get the most out of it (games, HDTV, specific cables etc...)

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Shiftfallout

Yaddy yadda. You are a student. Why would they expect a student to have a lot of money outside of college. If you have a complaint, it probably should be with the expensive prices at a university. When I was at my uni, working as a part time waiter i could still afford things that were 600 bucks. My point is, its not a lot of money. The parents basement is phrase to generate meaning, way to read into it too much champ. Sorry if me thinking 600 is not a lot of money for someone with a job makes me a fanboy.. good logic you have there.

I have a friend waiting tables, he gets paid 7.50 an hour. His tips range from about 50-120$ in one night of working. He works part time. Pays his rent, food, bills, and just finished buying a PS3. Now he, like me, has all three systems and a HDTV. How does he do it? He works normally. Normal low income job and he still has money to blow.

Thats the reality of it squall. I hate this mentality that if you cant afford something then you there for have to hate it. Thats the most childish thing in the world. In the real world, people work for a living. Unless you are dirt poor, most people can afford a PS3 unless they are doing stupid stuff with their money. Then thats their fault for not being smart about it.

Celestial

...$600 isn't a lot of money..?

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Squall7

No, using the stereotype of the "kid" nintendo fan that still lives with their parents is what's making you a fanboy. Also, I'm assuming you went to and American university. I'm going to a British one. Obviously there's gonna be slight differences there. Oh, and for people struggling to make ends meet (and yes, there are people like that in America), then $600 is too much. For you to say that it isn't is an insult to people who come from a lower class than yourself.

Money goes longer in America. And there's still people who are struggling to make ends meet. What's "normal" over in America? 40 hours per week? 30 hours?

Wrong, it's a case of hating the system because Sony made it into a blu-ray trojan horse. They articificially inflated the price by sticking in a blu-ray player and upping the price so that they can win the format war.

You're full of it. There's plenty of people in the world that aren't getting a fair deal when it comes to wages - or living costs. Just because you can work and buy a PS3 comfortably, doesn't mean everyone else can.

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Shiftfallout

depends on where you live and whether you make the effor to work for a living (aka using your head instead of complaining). For example, i wouldnt expect a starving person in a poor african country to be able to afford a PS3.

But im talking about the well off nations of the world (canada, usa, UK, Japan...ect).

The average income for someone who WORKS, will easily cover 600$. Its not a lot of money. It might not be worth it for them to buy, but for a working professional its not a lot of money. Like i said, i know kids that easily get 500-1000$ for a birthday or christmas alone. College students probably have it the worst because they get in debt and bend over backwards for greedy unis. The beautiful part of capitolism, is that if you are smart, its really really easy to make money. By smart I mean, not being a lazy ass and wishing money comes to you. You have to go to where it is. If you do that its not hard. A 24 year old like me is easily making over 150,000 a year with minimal work.

Anyways, im done trying to explain this. Somethings people will never understand untill they grow up and see reality.

Squall7

Effort of working? You do realise that many people do work and work for such a low income (because it's the only work available, and if they didn't do anything they would starve), that they can barely cover their cost of living (despite how small it would be).

Well, even in the UK, there's plenty of people who cannot afford a PS3.

Unless, they cannot get $600 of disposable income. And even then, the money for games along with a HDTV etc...

Some people cannot be a "professional" for many reasons, e.g. not enough money to actually go to further/higher education, learning disabilities etc...

Then you must socialise with people that can do that, thus having a skewed view of what people can and cannot afford.

No, by smart, you mean conforming to capitalism. If you're intelligent and are anti-captialist, you may still have problems. Also, you equate intelligence with action. This is not always the case. You got a break in life. Doesn't mean everyone else will get the same opportunities.

Whilst some things, people wioll never understand until they experience it for themselves. Those are the things that people can miss out completely.

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sagema

Shift is the 1% of the human race that doesn't know the meaning of money. The difference with a car and a game console is you need the car. You don't need the console. I guess Shift wants to be a greeter at Walmart. My plan is to invest as much of my money as possible into my own retirement fund (Not social security, it's dead).

SirAdrian

It's all relative mate. Believe it or not, but price is a factor. A HUGE one. It's the reason I don't drive a Porsche. I make a pretty penny, but I don't waste it. Saying that anyone who can't afford a $600 game should move it is very insulting. I know many people who are barely paying their bills (and even more in debt). Who says they shouldn't be able to have a little fun? And obviously, moving out of your parents basement would be a step in the wrong direction financially. Your chump change is another persons savings.

699 (CAD) is seriously approaching the price of a new entry-level PC. I would buy a Wii for myself and a friend before buying a PS3.

Shiftfallout

No I agree with you, I said in one of those post that $600 dollar machine might not be worth it for a person. That is fine, but saying $600 is a lot of money is childish. You can afford a porche, but it doesnt mean you have to buy one or that it is worth it. Thats my stance, but these guys will argue with me no matter what i say, its just how they work. Its not the first time nor will it be the last they do this.

BrandonMcAuslan

How does moving "out" of your parents home give you more disposable cash?

Between food - clothes - mortgage payments - national insurance - income tax - council tax - home insurance - car insurance - car payments - fuel - Spending £450+ on a games console takes backseat priority. Sure if you "live" for games - you are gonna get one. But I also socialize with friends - which costs money - I see movies - go on holidays - that £450 means something - its not chump change.

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Squall7

Wrong. It's realistic. If I don't earn enough money to get £425 in disposable income then you're not going to get a PS3. Your cavalier attitude towards anyone that cannot afford a PS3 is dispicable. You've shown over the past few days that you don't know about the world as much as you think you do.

Some people cannot afford one though. It's those people you're marginalising.

Okay, let me tell you how you work now, you work on a system of non-understanding how anyone can be different to you. You assume (using your language with connotations and denotations) that you're above everyone else, reducing other people's arguements to "mere opinions" and "fanboyism", whereas you put your own opinions as "truth" and never acknowledge anyone else's opinions as equal to your own, despite your logic being often flawed (the analogy with cars for example).

So long as you're being unfair to people (Hotpotato for example), there will always be backlash.

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Shiftfallout

As the fanboy hits the fan. Like this, its a phrase not meant to be taken literally but conote the idea of "growing up". Im sorry you take everything literally, you think some things through next time. If you were looking for backing to make you look better, you might want to pick better next time. =)

So, you just proved my point while whining about it. If you are paying all that, you would KNOW that its not a large sum of money.

DO NOT say its a lot when you CHOOSE how to spend it. Basically, You choose how to divide and spend your money, but the price of the PS3 is not a lot. It should not be blamed for HOW you choose to spend it.

Its like a kid who has 5 dollars, and he heads off to the toy store, but along the way he buys candy and then a comic. At the toy store he sees that toy he wanted and its 4.50. But now he doesnt have enough because he divided his money and used it for other things. Does he then say, damn this toy is too expensive? Probably because he wanted it all without having the wisdom on how to spend it. Thats how you guys sound.

If you are spreading out your income, and wanting to do EVERYTHING but not making any sacrifices, like the little kid you will be left short changed. Dont say the PS3 is too much if you have the inability to manage your money. No matter what you say, The ps3s price, is not.. in an adult world... expensive. ITs not a lot of money.

WiiZero

Squall your points are stupid a gaming console is a want not a need and for people strugling with money the difference between a $400 video game console and a $500 video game console is not that much they would look at both as a lot of money

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