lol, and you take pride in your inability to read? Cause that might help you with making relevant posts.

Whatever floats your boat champ. =)

shift you said your in the film industry right just curious as to what you do? dont have to answer if ya dont want to just wondering... shift is right its up to the person to manage their money better, i know i could have a PS3 if i wanted to i mean i dont make that much money $14 on the hr work 40hrs a week and i know if i managed my money better i could buy a PS3 if i wanted to but i also understand what the other users are saying that its too much... i dont think its fair to call them broke they just have thier priorities set in a different route than you. id love to be able to just blow my money on systems and games like my bro but i have to feed my kids and make sure they have a roof over their head...
im in no way trying to argue im just stating what i think is going on in this thread.
not trying to be nosy shift where ya live? cost of livin low whereever it is you are?
im in IT if anyone wants to know... do helpdesk lol

The PS3 is expensive when compared to the other systems it has to compete against. That is all that matters. It doesn't matter how much or little money one makes. The fact is that the PS3 is marketed as a video game console, and as such, its price exceeds the opinion of some consumers. Of course there are those who will buy it, but there will always be others who either can't afford it or find its price unjustified for their intended use.

I have done quite a bit, and still have a lot more to do. I live in Los Angeles, and have worked with people such as angolina jolies father, avi arad of marvel comic fame, the like. Basically, I have done both creative and desk work for films (acting, assisting, producing, selling). I like to hop around, so I dont stick to any one company or studio. Part time I also sell internet content for a company, I make my schedule. Couple days ago I spent 5 hours selling online content, and scored a $17,000 deal. 17k for 5 hours of work isnt bad. =) Im only 24. I realise if I want something, I have to figure out how to get it. Once you do that, its not that hard figuring out how to achieve it and make it happen. This world is a gold mine, you just need the head and resolve to reach out and get it. (btw, I grew up an only child of a single mother who partially relied on top ramen to keep us fed. I know what being poor is, and I know that when you are poor you cant blame other products for being out of YOUR own reach. On my own strength (or Gods rather), I worked up from that with resolve.)

Im not bashing people for being broke, but i am bugged that they blame the price of the PS3 for their inability to buy what they want. If its out of their reach, its out of their reach. They have three options, complain about how much money 600$ is, work and figure out how to get what they want, or just leave it be. Most are just complaining, instead of being realistic about it.


Not really. The 360 comes to more if you get the similar specced setup. Its not being marketed as a gaming console, but a home entertainment system. Thats the different approach sony is taking, and it shows. As someone who has built his own computers (cheaper and more fun), i can tell you the graphic card types they have easily run upwards of $400 alone. For a home entertainment system, its price is fair considering the loss Sony is taking on each console sold. I agree that some consumers would be turned off by this, because they see it merely as a toy rather than a tool. If people looked at the PS3 as they would a computer, or a HDTV, it would be different. But theres this notion that, like cartoons, it must there for be for kids and therefore not worth the price. Sony is doing a good job, abit slowly, but good, in breaking that image that video games are for kids.

Ok i quoted that for no real reason but just to agree with what Shift is trying to say.
Ok i can't afford a ps3, but i'm a kid and have only had enough money to get one when i had an acting gig and got 100$ per week.(7 weeks) actually i probably still have the money but any how.(that might help you out shift)
I have neighbors and there both around 20,23 something like that.
They are NOT rich because they both happen to live with there mom. But yet the managed to buy a PS2. And they both got 2 toyota 2004 SUV'S now thats around 20000 $ but yet they could manage to buy. Now if two guys that just came out of college(university) and can afford that! then that shows that 600 $ aint a hell load. Of course the average users on this site very from 10 to 15 then of course the average is gonna say it's expensive. But i asked my mom(note: that were not a rich family) if the 600$ is allot of money.She said"its not nothing, but it definitly isn't allot." Now my house i pretty small around three floors(the top one is like 10 feet though) and my rich friend: his dad went out and bought a mac pro,PS3,360,wii,DELL XPS. THATS ALOT.
600 $ isn't THAT MUCH!!!!!

you should realise that most people saying it's too expensive are like 15( besides Squall7).


~Hybrid

Shift-

I agree and disagree. The 360 w/add-ons is more expensive than the PS3, but as a standalone video game system it is $200-$300 less; the later being the what majority of consumers want, just a video game system. There are some who genuinely want it as a home entertainment system, but they are in the minority.

I entirely agree that for amount of capabilities it has, the PS3 is priced fairly. But at the same time I have no need for the BR player, because I will never purchase BR movies. So, to me, the PS3 remains an overpriced console because its price exceeds my intended purpose. It's like going to the store to buy a regular chair. In the store there are two similar chairs, a regular one that is $100 and one that reclines, but it cost $200. Even though the recliner has an added luxury, I have no use for it. So I view the recliner as just an expensive regular chair, because I will never use it to recline. (did that make any sense?).


As far a marketing goes the PS3 is still predominantly marketed as a video game console. Companies continue to stock it in the video game section, both online and in stores. And it is placed in Sunday ads next to the Wii and 360. This may not be what Sony wants, but I have yet to see a PS3 commercial that focuses on the movie or home entertainment aspect of the system.

I think Sony hasn't put enough effort to emphasize the capabilities of the PS3... which is also a problem with the PSP. And until they begin to market it as such, it will remain just an expensive video game console in the mind of the average consumer.

Jack said something like that how they need to improve on getting the message out there

HOME will be amazing but sony isn't marketing it I went to Sony Styles and they have a ridiculously small section for the PlayStations

We have not seen the full extent of Sonys marketing strategies, as they have not really been doing much. However its no secret they have something planned to tie in with their releases. They released the system early, but are still waiting for their projects to finish, is what i have been finding.

As for how a retailer markets the console, thats up to them.

Theres a few, most of the stuff is european. They do tie in games to as much as possible, but they do exist.
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Lets look at the text marketing on the ps3. You will find this places talking about the PS3 with equal focus on the games as well as on the box.

"Multimedia

The PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system gives you unprecedented control, access and enjoyment of a full range of digital media. The PLAYSTATION®3 system's power, flexibility and connectivity will ignite the next era in home entertainment.



* Music & Audio
o Play music CDs
o Connect to the internet to obtain detailed album information including album title, artist, length of album
o Copy CDs directly to your hard disk drive (HDD)
o Store and listen to other formats of audio/music files
* Movies & Videos
o Play Blu-ray Discs™ (BD) and DVDs
o Connect your digital video camera directly to your PLAYSTATION®3 with a USB cable
o Store and watch your own videos
o Download exclusive video content from PLAYSTATION®Store and the PLAYSTATION®3 Portal
* Photos
o Store your personal digital photo albums
o Use any of the various slideshow options to view
* Internet
o Surf the Internet with the PLAYSTATION®3 Internet Browser and the SIXAXIS™ wireless controller. You’re free to choose your own online destinations"


The commercials are more game focused, but they give equal focus on media as well.



I agree, they could do more. I think its just a matter of time before they go on the offensive, but we will just have to wait and see. Perhaps they dont want to advertise something when its not completely ready for it yet, aka firmware updates, games, HOME, internet..ect

Wow that first commercial can make one cry! everyone looks so depressed. Like there all gonna jump off a cliff the next day! Ok that really won't make anybody want a ps3!(unless they can get flashing tattoos)
lol.

"in the free world"? Don't you mean, the supposed average for member countries of the G8? Use your head to get more income? There's plenty of people that are intelligent and poor. It's not that people are not willing to earn more, it's that the system (especially in the UK) is designed to keep people down. Living costs have risen faster than minimum wage. Whether you like to believe that you "earn" your money is irrelevant. There's people out there that have to take on multiple jobs just to stay afloat. In the ideal world, people would be able to earn a fair wage for their work. This is not an ideal world though, and people are constantly getting less than they deserve.

I know I haven't said that the PS3 is only worth 200 (I pressume dollars), maybe it is worth $600 or even more. However, it doesn't change the fact that some people (especially in an underprivilaged position) simply cannot afford it, whether they would want to have it or not.

Generalisng a bit there. I cannot afford a BMW, and to be honest, I don't really care. I cannot afford a holiday in Antartica, but to be honest, I wouldn't want to go there anyway.

It is too much, for them to afford. Doesn't mean that the parts of the PS3 are too high. Everyone knows that Sony is losing money on the PS3 console itself, but one cannot go through life buying things, just because they're "bargains". People prioritise. If they can afford it, they may just pick it up. I have to yet to hear of a case whereby someone has bought a PS3 and lost their house because they couldn't pay the rent.

You're counting on the idea that people get the wage they deserve. This is not alway the case. Take for example, footballers. Sure there's pressure on them. But who is more important, a footballer, or a policeman? I'd have to say a policeman, yet they still don't get the kind of money some footballers get.

I think you're getting obsessed with money.

You're generalising again. There's not this clear "every job for every person" that people like to perpetuate. There are often not enough jobs for the people to fill them. Once more, there's not enough "professional" jobs for the people coming out of university. Heck, with the retirement age in the UK gone up as well, the number of professional jobs available won't go up enough to support a rise in people coming out of universities. Simply put, someone with a degree and a lot of knowledge doesn't always get tothe job they are qualified for. Sometimes they're pushed into menial jobs.

Mindset? This is a very real problem. It's unreal to think that there's the perfect job for everyone.

The PS3 is too high a price for some to pay. It's nothing to do with laziness nor lifestyle. It's a problem with society. Until people see that, there's going to be no change.


I'd love to know how you get these ideas. You equate lack of enough money to lack of work which you equate to lack of willingness to work. Come over to the UK sometime and talk to people in the jobcentre. Look at our wages vs living costs. I can guarantee your persepctive will change. You talk about yourself in the film industry. To get a realstic view of the world, sometimes you simply have to come out of your bubble.

Wisely? Personally, I think it's wiser to not spend too much money on things you don't actually need. Then allow for some money that are basic luxury items - TV for example. PS3 is way down on the list, that I know a lot of people won't have enough money left over to actually seriously consider getting a PS3.

Yes, blame the person. Obviously, it's the person's fault isn't it?! It's not that you're getting paid rubbish wages. It's not that you actually have to pay the bills or anything.[/sarcasm]
It's not a lot of money for YOU. It is a lot of money to everyone else. To think that you can blanket people who earn a lower wage than yourself as lazy is insulting.

Yes, yes, we've coverd this. Only you don't seem to acknowledge that what you say is YOUR opinion. I'm not saying that what I write isn't, but then I'm not the one trying to validate my opinion with false logic.

Debating? We're passed that now. We would have been debating had the discussion moved on. You're not making a realistic claim for anyone but yourself. You're also not backing it up with anything other than your own assumptions and generalisations. And yes, you were being unfair to hotpotato. You just cannot see it.

It's not that you were defending your point. It was that you backed up your persective with your own assumptions. You quite frankly refuse to see anyone else's point that could be opposed to your own. You refuse basic logic, such as people may get unfairly paid, or that anyone who doesn't earn as much as yourself is not neccessarily lazy.

In your own eyes. Making a blanketstatements about people being able to afford a PS3 unless they're lazy is not fair in my eyes.

I'm not going to get it, for more reasons than cost. But in the end, to me, and to many other people, the PS3 does cost a lot of money. Whether you continue refusing this simple logic is up to you, but if you consider this debating, then you're wrong. debating moves from point to point. You're just downright refusing a logical statement.

To someone that has much much much more than $600 in disposable income. If not, then it IS a lot of money.

I'm sorry, I've never been QUITE that stupid, even as a kid.

What, children who think that they can buy the world with 1 dollar need to grow up? No, they just need to look at the actual price of things.

So, I really want to go into space. Does that mean that I should pursue that goal and ignore any other's I may have? Sometimes, just getting to an important position may be you goal (rather than a high paid one). Also, if you cannot have, one usually questions how much they'd have to work (not just occupation, but personal growth etc), and to ask if it worth it. To assume that your goals are always worth it is childish in itself. I may have a goal to get a driving licence before I'm 22, but if that means that I have to starve myself to get the money, and to sacrifice my education to concerntrate on driving, it simply isn't worth it. May as well wait until I'm in a position to achieve that goal without as much personal cost.

squal, you are probably the only person here that really doesnt get it. Or perhaps you refuse to get it. Like already knowing you will dissagree before actually thinking about it.

This is what we have: Senario A) people complaining about the price, claiming its too much money when in fact they want it. AkA hating a system because they cannot afford it, in order to make up for it, the blame is pointed at sony for charging too much, when in reality 600 dollars is not considered a ton of money.

Therefore, pay attention because i dont know how to spell it any more simple, the person is to blame for not being able to afford it, not for the ps3 not being able to afford them so to speak. Instead of owning up and saying "sheese, my income sucks but i want a ps3" they say "its too expensive, sony is greedy, omg $600 someones rich, ...ect" which is the wrong childish mentality. Just because someone wants something, does not mean they have to have it either. I think some are getting pissed off because they want it, but cant have it. Hell i want a mansion, but that doesnt mean im going to get it right away. Hey maybe if i work hard and spend wisely I will make it happen.

No matter what you say, in the big picture of things a mere $600 is not a lot of money. It might be out of reach for some at this point in their life, but it does not change the fact that when looking at the anual income of many people, the economy, and the way of life, $600 is not a lot. How they choose to spend their income is up to them, but it will never change the fact.

No, I just disagree.

In fact? Lol. Give me a break. You're one of those people that think that everyone wants to be like them. The money to a lot of people is only a single factor to them deciding not to get it. But it is a factor. It's not that they're jealous that others can afford it, it's that the price compounds it - e.g. nothing I really like on the system, I might have considered Final Fantasy XIII, but I know I wouldn't spend £425 on a PS3 just to play it.

What about those people that cannot afford to take a trip into space? Are they the ones to blame because they do not earn enough money to do that?
Now, Listen to me, because this is the simplest I can spell it out for you. People aren't to blame for not getting enough money. If people actually want a PS3, that can afford it, then they'll get it. If they cannot afford it but they still want it, it's tough luck. No amount of blaming people will change that. Unless of course, you think people CHOOSE to be poor, in which case you're an idiot.

I'll tell you what's childish. Thinking the world hands out money for all those that want it. To someone like you (apparently), you say "$600, not bad. I'll get one." To someone who isn't like you, they think "I don't know if I can afford it. It's not like I have a HDTV to really appreciate it, and it's not like I can't just have fun with a Wii instead..."