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03-15-2008, 03:03 AM
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Conquistador
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Lol zeon... Gear of War 3 on PS3 is like expecting MGS4 on 360. It won't happen... MS owns the rights to Gears of War just like Nintendo owns the rights to Donkey Kong and Mario, it won't happen. Also like someone said, thats just some random Analyst making guesses. They claim its going to be like GTA/RE. But GTA was never a title owned by PS2 and nor was RE a title owned by Nintendo, those were just contracts they had to develop games on their console. But I could be wrong, but not likely...
Mass Effect 2 could come to PS3 depending on the situation. I expected MS to own the rights to Mass Effect, but I don't really know the whole situation but it doesn't seem possible that MS doesn't own the rights to ME also.
ME2 to be released on PC even simultaneously is not improbable though since MS doesn't mind releasing their exclusives on PC.
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03-15-2008, 03:51 AM
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dont use "analyst" as a source. its retarded, and hes retarded. microsoft publishes gears of war and itll stay that way. even if microsoft does only own gow for a sequel (which no source is cited on) they will pay serious money to make sure it stays on them if talk comes of it coming to the ps3.
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03-15-2008, 04:29 AM
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Doesn't MS own the rights to the Mass Effect franchise?
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03-15-2008, 04:46 AM
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oh god mgs4
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Doesn't MS own the rights to the Mass Effect franchise?
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Yep. Game is published by MS too.
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03-15-2008, 04:48 AM
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Tis what I thought. I'm pretty sure MS isn't gonna let one of their better franchises slip out of exclusivity.
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03-15-2008, 10:15 AM
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Gears of war 3 aint coming to the ps3
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03-15-2008, 10:52 AM
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Didn't Frontlines have problems working on anything? lol...Joke. Seriously, did the dev's update the glitch frenzy in it yet?
Why couldn't MGS4 come to the 360, wasn't there a MGS spin off on the original Xbox. Wasn't it called Subsistence or something?
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03-15-2008, 02:37 PM
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Yeaaa I don't think so, definitely not Gears of War... Not sure about Mass Effect, but meh.
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03-15-2008, 03:03 PM
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First off it all Depends on the Contract written up by MS and the Dev company. None of these games are 1st party most wouldn't even be considered true 2nd party, just dedicated 3rd.
With "Mass Effect" Bioware/EA has creative rights, They gave exclusivity to MS but depending on the Contract they could open it up or open it up after a set amount of time "6 months or so as stated in most exclusivity contracts with some type of payout to MS for the deal".
Same goes for "Gears of War" It's creative rights are owned by Epic Games, Not MS... MS just "leases" the games and exclusivity depending on the contract and all that it entails they could also split in certain circumstances.
Seems like we are seeing alot of this between 360/PS3 they just do not have the revenue to keep buying exclusive rights it really cuts into what profit they do make.
All this will effect is amount of console sales lost due to the games, the overall game sales wont be hurt but helped greatly by this kinda move. If they don't have the cash to keep them around "make up for lost multi sales" they could loose them.
MS/Sony need to "shit or get off the pot" when it comes to games, They have very few real 1st party games "with 100% rights owned" the majority are exclusive 3rd party and some very money hungry 2nd party.
If I was them I would invest what money I have left in my gaming budget to buy up devs to make my own 1st party instead of wasting cash on exclusives to the money hungry 2nd and 3rd party. If they keep going at this pace they will just run out of money and it will be nothing but a prefference of a Video Game Player to play all the 3rd party universal games on.
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03-15-2008, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wezeles
First off it all Depends on the Contract written up by MS and the Dev company. None of these games are 1st party most wouldn't even be considered true 2nd party, just dedicated 3rd.
With "Mass Effect" Bioware/EA has creative rights, They gave exclusivity to MS but depending on the Contract they could open it up or open it up after a set amount of time "6 months or so as stated in most exclusivity contracts with some type of payout to MS for the deal".
Same goes for "Gears of War" It's creative rights are owned by Epic Games, Not MS... MS just "leases" the games and exclusivity depending on the contract and all that it entails they could also split in certain circumstances.
Seems like we are seeing alot of this between 360/PS3 they just do not have the revenue to keep buying exclusive rights it really cuts into what profit they do make.
All this will effect is amount of console sales lost due to the games, the overall game sales wont be hurt but helped greatly by this kinda move. If they don't have the cash to keep them around "make up for lost multi sales" they could loose them.
MS/Sony need to "shit or get off the pot" when it comes to games, They have very few real 1st party games "with 100% rights owned" the majority are exclusive 3rd party and some very money hungry 2nd party.
If I was them I would invest what money I have left in my gaming budget to buy up devs to make my own 1st party instead of wasting cash on exclusives to the money hungry 2nd and 3rd party. If they keep going at this pace they will just run out of money and it will be nothing but a prefference of a Video Game Player to play all the 3rd party universal games on.
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But you don't know, you are making assumptions just like everyone else. No one has released any info on who owns the rights to Mass Effect or Gears of War. So you are just assuming MS doesn't own the rights. Which is why I assume MS owns the rights to ME and Gears. Both were planned trilogies so the logical thing would be for MS to make sure they aquire those rights. Also the publisher tends to be the one who owns the rights not the developers. Publishers finance the developers to keep producing the game. GTA isn't owned by Sony because SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment) did not publish the game, Take 2 did... Resident Evil was not published by SCE, Capcom did... Same with Devil May Cry 1/2/3. Also I take back what I said about MGS4, that was wrong. Konomi owns those rights not Sony.
A better analogy would be... Gears of War 3 coming to PS3 is like Rachet and Clank coming to 360. But I don't know about ME, Im not sure if EA or MS has the publishing rights.
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03-15-2008, 05:02 PM
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First off I didn't assume anything. I just said that it's possibal and that they do not own it.
Rights to the game is not even close ot the same thing as ownership of the game.
Like I said they do not have CREATIVE Rights "ownership". That means they didn't make the game nor could they make another version of the game on there own without prior approval from the owner of the game aka the original developer.
Its not Assumtion thats how it works. Otherwise it would be listed as a Microsoft Developed and published game if they had the acctual Creative Rights to it, thats common sense.
Like I also said depending on how the contract is written up for the current publishing rights is if they could or could not release the game on multi platform.
But it's safe to say No developer in their right mind would sign a contract saying " I will only make this game for Fill in the Blank." If they did, and then Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo left the gaming industry all together. Then later on they wanted to make these games for whatever console poped out in the future then they would have to get permission from Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo and probably pay them for no reason just to make a game they technically own themself.
Depending on how much they paid for the "temporary rights" and how the contact is written up . blah blah ownership for blah blah amount of time. It could Very well get moved to another console. Specially when these games are such big hits.
It's the same way with song artist signing a contract they get suckered into a 2 or 3 CD deal but if they get screwed or they could make more money somewhere else they will.
But if they are treated fair and are striving they probably will stay with the same company.
Publishers almost NEVER own the rights to a game unless they also own the Developing company aswell! Go look at long franchised 2nd party and 3rd party games, alot have switched hands among the publishers more than a couple times.The publisher does nothing more than pay to produce a game.
Now the Temporary Rights to any game can be sold at any time be it to a Publishing company or Developing company. But unless it is straight up owned by Sony/MS/Nintendo then it would not be under 100% of their controll.
It's the Buisness end of it, no manager/lawyer would ever let them sign a contract for indeffinate ownership of rights.
And no publishing company would pay the crazy amount it would probably take to get exclusive rights till the end of time.
Will it happen? Who knows speculation of it going one way or the other means nothing without an announcement.But just assuming one way or the other is stupid there is a possability of both outcomes.
The only people who know for sure are the Publishers/Developers/Console companys.
It's not news they would break to the public untill all the fine details are written down in a contract.
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03-15-2008, 05:37 PM
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I see your point. But having played Mass Effect, that game is HEAVILY story-driven. If you play Mass Effect 2 without having played ME1 before, I'm certain that you wouldn't understand most of the things going on.
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i have read a few articles and they have dealt with this in a very smart way.
aparently if you have played ME1 it will use your save file fromt hat game to start out the second but they said if you havent played me, then you could still pick up mass effect 2 and play it because it will have a different point to start from.
thats from game informer mag.
and i guess gears of war 3 on PS3 isnt that bad of a decision.. i wont be buying it cause i have a 360 and tried gears of war and thoght it was bad.
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03-15-2008, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wezeles
First off I didn't assume anything. I just said that it's possibal and that they do not own it.
Rights to the game is not even close ot the same thing as ownership of the game.
Like I said they do not have CREATIVE Rights "ownership". That means they didn't make the game nor could they make another version of the game on there own without prior approval from the owner of the game aka the original developer.
Its not Assumtion thats how it works. Otherwise it would be listed as a Microsoft Developed and published game if they had the acctual Creative Rights to it, thats common sense.
Like I also said depending on how the contract is written up for the current publishing rights is if they could or could not release the game on multi platform.
But it's safe to say No developer in their right mind would sign a contract saying " I will only make this game for Fill in the Blank." If they did, and then Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo left the gaming industry all together. Then later on they wanted to make these games for whatever console poped out in the future then they would have to get permission from Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo and probably pay them for no reason just to make a game they technically own themself.
Depending on how much they paid for the "temporary rights" and how the contact is written up . blah blah ownership for blah blah amount of time. It could Very well get moved to another console. Specially when these games are such big hits.
It's the same way with song artist signing a contract they get suckered into a 2 or 3 CD deal but if they get screwed or they could make more money somewhere else they will.
But if they are treated fair and are striving they probably will stay with the same company.
Publishers almost NEVER own the rights to a game unless they also own the Developing company aswell! Go look at long franchised 2nd party and 3rd party games, alot have switched hands among the publishers more than a couple times.The publisher does nothing more than pay to produce a game.
Now the Temporary Rights to any game can be sold at any time be it to a Publishing company or Developing company. But unless it is straight up owned by Sony/MS/Nintendo then it would not be under 100% of their controll.
It's the Buisness end of it, no manager/lawyer would ever let them sign a contract for indeffinate ownership of rights.
And no publishing company would pay the crazy amount it would probably take to get exclusive rights till the end of time.
Will it happen? Who knows speculation of it going one way or the other means nothing without an announcement.But just assuming one way or the other is stupid there is a possability of both outcomes.
The only people who know for sure are the Publishers/Developers/Console companys.
It's not news they would break to the public untill all the fine details are written down in a contract.
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Thats an assumption... If you are saying something that you are not 100% sure about, then you are ASSuming something...
Also who ever said I was criticizing you for assuming something?
Anyway after that I stop reading because im tired of always reading your long posts.
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03-16-2008, 10:25 AM
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