Of course, all that comes down to the penetration of blu-ray into the market. Considering so few people have HDTV's yet, and that PS3's are having a few problems, we may see these "Facts" (As they are at the present) change.

Besides, many of the companies are supporting both it seems (Beuna Vista and Warner Bros for example). It just shows that not all companies are sure about the outcome of this. Likewise, the fact that the list is over a year old kinda indicates that it means little. The games and movie industry changes drastically year to year.

Also you CAN argue against conclusions of the "facts". Whilst I can see that Bluray had quite a backing (last year. Provide some up to date details on this to be relevant to today), it doesn't mean that it definately won't "tank".

Wikipedia states about support for UMD:
Considering those were some of the major studios backing blu ray - as well as HD DVD (except Sony themselves), I would say that they would gladly switch sides if HD DVD started to get more sales.

Also, you seem to indicate that companies would "stick" with one single format - Blu-Ray. They would actually go for the more profitable one.

Interesting read from Wikipedia:
Source: Blu-ray Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By your logic, these are "FACTS" that cannot be argued with.

blue ray dvd seems so more advanced and cool...instead of hd dvd..its boring and plain name!

What the hell does UMD have to do with Blu-Ray? That is completely irrelivant man. I mean if your going to bring something, at least let it pertain to the topic at hand. Even as a Sony hater, you have to admit that Blu-Ray is winning AS OF RIGHT NOW. The facts can't be fcuking ignored even by ignorant Sony haters.

You're joking right? Blu-Ray is not "winning". DVD is "winning" (considering DVD's are still more widely circulated than Blu Ray disks and HD DVD's).

UMD is relevant because it's exactly what Sony tried to do before - Take control of the movie industry. UMD is VERY relevant. There was a lot of support for UMD's from various film companies - which is my point - film companies don't know the outcome of various "format wars" and should not be used to "prove" that one will ultimately dominate.

Yes, I hate Sony. That doesn't make my opinions nor the facts that I bring to the table any less relevant or valuable. Sony have tried numerous times to control the film industry - Betamax, UMD, Blu Ray. Each time, the technology has been to costly - regardless of quality. You seem to be getting rather uptight with your "facts" here. Indeed, coming from someone as emotional as yourself, I don't trust your judgement on what you consider "Facts" and your ability to distinguish between "fact and Feeling".

Indeed, the irony of calling me ignorant, when I've just found your faults and called you on the BS you spew as "Facts" and then proceeding to say that I'm an ignorant Sony-hater. I hate Sony, but I am far from ignorant. Some of the best arguements that people come up with against Sony are entirely fact-based.

You don't like my (actual) facts? Tough.

Wait, you never really disproved anything that I wrote though, you simply posted an article from Wikipedia that pretty much stated the good and bad of both medias, said alittle something about UMD which had no relevance, and now you are bringing old DVDs into the picture... you really need to learn how to read. What facts did you bring other than showing us the codes used for audio and video on both formats?

And you really need to learn a lot of things.

I never disproved it, but I didn't need to, only cast the shadow of criticism which is what your evidence lacked. UMD's are made by Sony. The manufacture of the Blu-ray isn't in question here - the philosophy of Sony's desire to control (and past failures) the film industry and their apparent support is. This is why UMD is entirely relevant. If it were your agruement that the way the disks created were better or worse that HD DVD, then UMD would have no relevance. The fact of the matter, is that we've seen a pattern from Sony. DVD's are still very much in the picture, because it's the delaying factor - most people will stick with DVD's (Especially since a lot of them can be upscaled), thus reducing (but not eliminating) the need to buy specialised HD disks (Whether HD DVD or Blu ray).

Saying UMD is irrelevant to Blu ray is like saying the Wii is irrelevant to the Gamcube.

The facts I was bringing up were the failure of the UMD despite various film companies support. My facts were criticising your facts.

Now please, if you're going to bring better "facts" to the discussion, please do so. Oh, and remove that attitude of yours if you want to be taken seiously.

You cast the shadow of criticism? You have got be fcuking kidding me bro. Hahahaha I don't even know where to start with how flawwed and idiotic your thinking is. Let's say UMDs got wiped off of the earth tomorrow. Ok, they are GONE. No UMDs, they failed completely. Ok, now please tell me what kind of fcuking relevance that will have to the sales and support that companies are showing for Blu-Ray? Absolutely none. Blu-Ray is competeing with HD DVD... UMDs are competeing.... with uhm... themselves. I mean to even compare the two is just completely idiotic.

You can cast any type of critcism you want but unless you disprove my facts and info to back them up, your words mean dick.

Excuse me? Who the hell are you? Yes Dad, I will remove my atitude..I am so sorry. I can talk to you whatever way I damn please and you can't do shit about it... for goodness sakes you can't even disprove anything I say. You lost, go cry.

Flawed and idiotic? kinda expresses your arguement. And at least I can be civil about my disagree with you. Ok, UMD wiped off the earth. The support for UMD from companies would still have existed, therefore sheding doubt on if they themselves know which side to pick. To compare the two in terms of support is neither idiotic, nor irrelevant.

Wrong. They mean that you so called "facts" don't really accomodate for everything, and considering they're meant to be facts - i.e. correct, they kinda become null and void if they cannot accomodate everything (or rather your conclusions are - as company support has proved not to be the sole selling point of the next medium).

Wrong again. Change your attitue and you'll stop sounding like Cartman. Essentially, you don't even seem to have a respect for anyone else's opinions, and would therefore lose the respect others' may have given you. In essence, because you're so nasty, less people will actually like you, and therefore anything you say will be taken less lightly. Even your attitude stinks of being immature. My guess - your parents didn't pay you enough attention, and so you lash out at everyone else for not giving you the attention you think you deserve. Wanna know what? I don't really care what you think. Call me any name under the sun. It'll only prove me right.

So your pretty much crying with that entire thread... except for that paragraph in the middle that had a bunch of big words but meant absolutely nothing. You can't simply accept the fact that I am right. You try so hard to sound sophisticated that you actually come off as a fake. You throw all these nice words into a pile and hope that in the end it turns into something that makes sense. Then you bring irrelevant arguments and want me to respect that? I don't think so man. Bring facts to DISPROVE my facts, not some bullshit that you think is rellevant. I gave you numbers, I gave you lists... you gave me two irreelevant arguments and a Wikipedia article describing both formats. And you want some type of respect from me? Your going to have to do a bit harder than that. Oh, and drop the atitude, people don't like that around here.

Big words? Ok, tell me which big words gave you trouble and I'll explain them to you.

If that's you're idea of "fact" then I've been wasting my time criticising you. You obviously need to re-learn what the word "fact" means.

Like I said before, I don't care what you think about me.

Ok, please, tell me which words you don't know and I'll explain them to you.

Irrelevant? Or just damaging to your arguement?

Well, you got 3 words right...

Facts - those companies supported blu ray Septemeber 2005. Fiction - This proves that Blu-ray will succeed. Fact - company support doesn't guarantee success. Illustration - UMD had major film studios behind it and still failed.
What part of this do you not get?

Statistics can be fitted to form any kind of arguement. e.g. Six major film companies are backing HD DVD as of September 2005.
e.g. A whopping 500,000 copies of each film released were sold on UMD.

Like I said before, Irrevelevant or just damaging to your arguement?

No. I just want you to respect somebody but yourself.

Some battles just aren't worth it.

Oh, you mean the civil one whereby I don't sware at anybody or call anyone else names for disagreeing with me. Let's have a vote: Who prefers my attitude? Or who prefers ABC's attitude?

Tell me which part of that sentence actually made sense.


But you are criticising my view, not the part of my posts that have true information from valid sources.






Ok, please try to make sense when you TRY to sound smart so you don't look like a complete douchebag.



There is nothing that you have written that is damaging to my argument. Here, let me brake it down for you since your supposed "intelligent" mind can't comprehend it. You CAN NOT compare a format that is unchallenged. UMD has nothing competeing against it. Not to mention it's in a completely different feild (portables) Vs. home entertainment. To try and even justrify that rediculous argument is making you look even more uneducated.


Taking words out of context... I remember doing that in kindergarden. Did you make a macaroni painting for me to put up on my refigerator as well?


Never once did I say that the support that Blu-Ray is recieving BY MOVIE STUDIOS proves their success at such an early stage. So if you are done taking my words out of context and twisting what I say to make you look "cool", this debate can go on. Again, your comparing the unrivaled UMD to something completely different. Hahha it's funny though.


I didn't fit any kind of statistics buddy. What you see is what you get. You just don't want to accept it so your crying about it. Again, your bringing UMD into this argument... Jesus, why don't you PLEASE get me some HD DVD facts and stats instead of UMD. It's getting kind of sad really.


I think I have pretty much squashed anything you found damaging.


Just because I don't respect you, don't get all bitchy about it. Maybe bringing up another UMD statistic will help you cope with it though.


Then stop talking, your UMD, Last-gen DVD arguments make no sense nor apply.


I vote for me. Aww..

Thank you for proving my point about you not respecting other people and your general attitude. Better luck next time.

Is this another one of your "Facts"?

You're right. UMD didn't have competition and it still failed. However I didn't argue that it did. The fact that Blu Ray is in competition only means that they have an even worse chance of succeeding. Portables Vs Home doesn't matter. You still haven't addressed my point - film companies support doesn't automatically mean success. I even added that DVD is still winning.

Ye it is, considering it failed against no competition.

This once again proves you've got attitude problems (also a warped sense of reality).

How about inside industry testimony?:
Source: From here

Nope. UMD is still a valid point. Number of companies supposedly backing Blu-Ray technology will not automatically make it the victor. You've proved nothing other than you're arrogant.