What's your pokemon team?

JonRyan

dang alright :/
would they be a good team for the new games??

__________________

WMBQ

I'm now realizing my Dragon weakness...

Should I replace my Flareon? It has naturally high attack (like, 29 EVs and a positive nature), which is why I'm hanging onto it. Hyper Beam has OHKOed a Golem 20 levels lower.

I'm considering switching it for a faster fire Pokemon, maybe Arcanine? Arcanine has great stats, but I don't know about the movepool.

I also might switch Kingdra for something. I had a Gyarados, but I couldn't work with its special attack. ;_; Thinking of Tentecruel, but that's yet another Ground weakness... augh. Help me CK.

__________________

SSBfreakCK

..Lol, no. Scyther is far too weak, so is Polywrath, Arcanine isn't reliable, Rhyperior is too slow considering the rest of your team is really sluggish, Gyarados shares 2 electric weaknesses with your other pokes, and Dragonite shares an Ice weakness for 3 of your team mates, and a rock weakness with 4. The team is also incredibly slow. Half the team is too weak anyways, it'd be useless in gen 3 or 4.

EDIT: Ahh, didn't see you WMBQ.. sorry, someone post so I can post again! DX

__________________

JonRyan

ahh i don't wanna abandon my originals :/

__________________

SSBfreakCK

Yes, you should certainly replace the very replacable Flareon. Arcanine is a much better fire poke than Flareon, definatly. As you said, while it's movepool isn't the best, it's a lot better than Flareon's. It can also be physical or special, even mixed if you think you could pull it off(but I don't recommend it unless you're playing DPP).

However, Blaziken is by far the best fire type in OU. It has a great Sp. atk stat and Atk stat as well, good speed, and a great move pool. If you can get your hands on it, I highly recommend it. You also get a fighting type out of it. You only gain 2 weaknesses in Flying and Psychic, which are both rare attacking types and the rest of your team resists it. You also make your rock weakness nuetral.

If you can't get ahold of Blaziken and you want a special fire type, Moltres would be the best to go with. Since it has huge Sp. atk(almost as much as Flareon's atk) as well as a passable movepool, it'd be better than Flareon atleast. It's also got good speed.

Oh and about hyper beam OHKOing Golem, wouldn't you rather OHKO with a STAB fighting move against a Golem that's the same level as you?

If you want a water type to take advantage of special attack rather than Kingdra's terrible movepool, Vaporeon(I can tell you like Eeveelutions, right?)or Starmie would be great additions to your team. Starmie has more type coverage, but it doubles up on your Espeon's weaknesses. Starmie has blazing speed though, and can kill a lot of it's counters.

Vaporeon is a bit bulky, but it isn't as good at special attacking since it has a bad movepool. It's better as a wall, but you won't double up on weaknesses. If you want a supporting water type, take Vaporeon. But if you want an offensive water type, definatly pick Starmie, Starmie doesn't have to worry about Pursuit and such in the 3rd generation.

__________________

WMBQ

Thanks for the help ;D

I do love Eeveelutions, except for Umbreon... blagh, you suck, Umbreon...

I think I'll go with Blaziken and Vaporeon. I need a good wall, and Vaporeon has attractive Special Attack to go with HP, along with Surf, Ice Beam, and Shadow Ball. I don't think it learns any recovery moves, though. I just know those off the top of my head... what about Reflect and Light Screen? Does Vaporeon get those?

As for Blaziken, I think I'll go with a mixed Sp Atk/Atk with Flamethrower, Sky Uppercut, maybe Aerial Ace, and... and... hmm. I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Maybe Rock Slide/Earthquake?

__________________

lbu8

^my god what happened to just buying the cards and rating them on who looks the coolest.

I haven't really played alot of pokemon, but i'm thinking about getting into it. When does the next game come out?

__________________

SSBfreakCK

The next game comes out March 22nd, lbu. Platinum is the name, and it's going to kick arse.

Nooo, Umbreon is awesome! DX

Vaporeon doesn't have any instant recovery moves, but it can learn Wish as an Eevee. Wish is extremely helpful on Vaporeon since you can switch out to a weaker poke or something that lost HP(as long as it survives the incoming attack, if any), and heal it at the same time. Vaporeon does not get the screens, btw.

Aerial ace on Blaziken? Eh.. I honestly don't recommend that. Anyways, if you're going for a mixed attacker, I highly recommend having just Overheat as the single attack. You can pump out massive damage on something that switches in using overheat, then pummel it with physical attacks, being uneffected by the Sp. atk drop. Trust me, the extra damage helps when you don't focus on one stat. Fire Blast is a lot better if you need to get in two hits though, and 85% accuracy is still great. But hey, if you're picky about accuracy you can still pick flamethrower.

Anyways, Rock slide over Earthquake, trust me. As for a forth moveslot, there's quite a few options. But if you havn't used the move tutor on seven island for swords dance, you may want to teach your Blaziken that. Otherwise, just slap on an attack move besides Earthquake/Aerial Ace(unless you really hate Heracross).

__________________

WMBQ

Nah, I'm just an accuracy nut.

So, I like the sound of Wish. I'd forgotten about it, I think I'll use that.

So...

Blaziken-
Overheat
Rock Slide
Sky Uppercut
Swords Dance

Luckily I do have the tutor. Not actually sure about the Rock Slide one though...

Vaporeon-
Surf
Ice Beam
Wish
Shadow Ball?

Not too sure about EVs either. I'm thinking max Sp Atk on Vaporeon and split HP and Speed?

As for Blaziken, I'm absolutely clueless. :/

__________________

SSBfreakCK

I ran off to Smogon real quick to get a good Blaziken spread, and here it is. 80 HP / 232 Atk / 196 Spe. The Sp. atk EVs aren't important since flamethrower is mainly to be used against really high defense and low sp. def enemys(Skamory?). Overheat would be highly favored for that spread though, and Overheat has a really good 90% accuracy anyways. I don't think flamethrower can OHKO things like Heracross either, Overheat is probably necesarry for that. Just a recomendation. Also, those speed EVs are all you'll need for outrunning what you need too, best of all without a speed + nature.

Do NOT use Shadow Ball on Vaporeon, just an important warning. Believe it or not, ghost moves are all physical in generation 3(the only reason Medicham uses Shadow Ball, really). Replace it with something like Haze/Roar to stop anyone setting up, or Protect so you can heal yourself reliably with Wish(be careful with this though, they could predict protect and switch to a counter, you'd still get the heal ofcourse). Protect is good for scouting enemy choice banders anyways.

I honestly can't think of any type of set where Vaporeon needs speed EVs in gen 3.. Mainly because I've never heard of an offensive Vaporeon, that'l suprise some people. I recommend maxing Sp. atk for all that kick and putting a good amount of EVs in HP, especially if you're using Wish. Feel free to max for more durability - just be aware Vaporeon can't take super effective special hits well without Sp. def EVs too. It'l be bulky, but not extremely.

__________________

WMBQ

Well, 110 Sp Atk is not to be trifled with.

So a mixed Vaporeon set...

OMG Shadow Ball! That explains why it sucked poop on my ingame Grumpig! I thought it was special! WOW IMA RETARD

Anyways, i meant Sp Def when I said Speed... x.x Brain fart right there.

But come to think of it, Speed could be helpful on a Vaporeon like this.

Hmm.

Definitely maxing out Sp Atk right here.

252 SpAtk/100 HP/92 SpDef/68 Spd

Ehh. I'm sure you could think of something better.

__________________

SSBfreakCK

I did some thinking, and Vaporeon doesn't need any speed, trust me. Unless you really want to invest in speed, it's pretty unwise since you'd need Timid to even get anywhere - and that means a very low Sp. atk. Again, if you wanted a speedy Sp. atker, you'd definatly need to go with Starmie. So forget about what I said earlier, drop all speed EVs - Vaporeon's natural low speed already beats things line Tyraniboah, Weezing, and Rhydon. ..And that's about it without huge EV investment.

First of all, invest 252 in Sp. atk, ofcourse. Completely necesarry. Next, shove it all into HP. I highly recommend using wish. Now, the important thing is this - Vaporeon is very bulky this way, but without a ton of defense EVs it won't be taking Choice Banded hits, it's meant as a hit and runner basically, I'd say. It can still take nuetral non-boosted hits and hit back hard this way, which is what you'd want from an offensive Vaporeon.

Next, Sp. def EVs on a Vaporeon is virtually unheard of. All of it's weaknesses are special, so nevermind. Again, without some HP EVs Vaporeon can't take special hits either, which would require splitting your EVs further. And once again, with max HP you're recovering over 250 HP per turn with a wish. Impressive, no?

Sorry for being slow, takes time to analyze all these things for me.

__________________

Shadow*91

OH MAN! I just realised the wiichat apocalypse erased the entire team CK worked on for me.

I know its a pain CK but would you give me all the info on the pokes again? i remember the team but not all the EV and Move stuff.

the team was:
Venusaur
Spiritomb
Empoleon
Infernape
Zapdos
Cressalia

__________________

SSBfreakCK

..Wait.. what? ......That's right, it did delete all my works............

GOD DAMNIT!!!! -.-+

All that thinking and work for nothing.. Arghhhhh.... I'll start working again soon.. Although I doubt I'll be able to remember it all exactly. [/sob]

__________________

Shadow*91

i know it sucks. i had the page favorited so that when i get platinum i could just click it and boom! primo team all ready to be made.

but while i was reading this it dawned on me "wait, if CK had to make a new one then what about...OH S***!" my mom screamed at me for cussing when we have little kids over, i clicked the favorited page only to get a message saying the page no longer exists, another loud cussing rant, and a big slap accross my cheek.

so when you get the time and energy, can you give it a go? that was the team list so already got the basic need done

__________________

SSBfreakCK

Hahah... It's not the pokemon that's the difficult thing to decide, it's the moveset, the EVs, and the purpose... Deciding pokes is the easiest part of creating a team.. sigh.. I'll remake it soon though, as I said in my last post. I really hate it when my time is wasted like that, though.. Damn you faulty hard drives! -.- Ah well..

__________________

lbu8

this is really a good read, i'm really impressed with your knowledge ck. I don't know what the **** your talking about half the time, but it's interesting.

__________________

SSBfreakCK

Hah, thanks lbu. I know what you mean when you're not understanding all the terminology.. Took me a bit to pick all of it up, only after reading a ton of articles ofcourse. I honestly can't see any non-competitive player understanding all of the lingo without paying a lot of attention.

Ofcourse, if you ever want to ask what means what, I'd gladly answer. I want people to completely understand what we're talking about, after all.

__________________

The Storm

CK is genius at most things for some reason...lol

My team is:

Dragonite (Atk Swp)
Typhlosion (SpAtk Swp)
Porygon Z (SpAtk Swp)
Dusknoir (Stat Tank)
Gyarados (Rage Atk Tank)
Slaking (Atk Swp Super Tank)

__________________
My beautiful baby girl

Shadow*91

yeah i didn't get the lingo either(certain things i still don't get)
but after reading the stuff on here(before the erasing)
i get most of it now(still not all)

__________________