What do you think of my Melee skills?

FWELR · 01-28-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zori

Thanks for the compliment. There are many reasons why I play against a level 1. Level 9 CPUs don't play anything like humans. They know every move your character does as you press it, which is why their guards are so freakin precise and throw you off. I don't recommend training with CPUs at all, but to showcase how I play I figured a level 1 would be best.

Makes sense. My advice to you would be to practice against some friends of yours who plays as Fox/Falco, to get your timing down properly. I noticed you sometimes missed combos (or maybe you weren't planning to do them, I don't know). But yes, anyways, practice against fast opponents and you should be fine. What is the skill level at this tourney?

Zori · 01-28-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FWELR

Makes sense. My advice to you would be to practice against some friends of yours who plays as Fox/Falco, to get your timing down properly. I noticed you sometimes missed combos (or maybe you weren't planning to do them, I don't know). But yes, anyways, practice against fast opponents and you should be fine. What is the skill level at this tourney?

Honestly I have no idea its just an open tourney. My friend saw a poster, told me about it, and we went and checked it out. Guy said last time there were 130 competitors and it cost 10$ to join so i was like eh what the hell I don't think anyone around here can beat me.

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Originally Posted by LiquidD

i've never seen idjut play but i think she might stomp you. i think your "skills" were way too predictable. but thats just me.

Thanks for the criticism lol. When I put "skills" I didn't mean it in a cocky way. If it hurts you that much my next post wont have that word in it.

LiquidD · 01-28-2008, 06:36 AM

why do you hog the edge? i find that kind of cheap...
and no, you using skills doesn't hurt me.

Fox · 01-28-2008, 06:39 AM

It's a clever way of getting a ko.

LiquidD · 01-28-2008, 06:45 AM

no it's not. there's nothing clever about it. it's just cheap. if you look at other people who play in tournaments on youtube, you'll see that most of the times when their opponents go out of the stage, they back up some to let them back up because they know that hogging the edge is a cheap kill.

mushroomedmario · 01-28-2008, 06:48 AM

idn, it's cheap yeah, but some could say the same about any advanced techniques, i only use it if it's a close match or i'm losing

Prez · 01-28-2008, 06:48 AM

DO NOT be afraid of noob comments from smashboards. One thing you'll hopefully get to notice is that real smashers are ALWAYS super modest about their own skills, and really very nice, and welcoming to newcomers. My first tourney, I got to know so many people. Basically the whole Toronto (my city) smash community. I'm not even a very social person, and I made so many new friends. I got to chill with the best smasher in our city, and he was the nicest guy. Sat down, played a little, gave me tons of helpful tips (the most helpful advice I actually ever got), and was not boastful in any way. Honestly, these guys were some of the coolest people ever.

My point in case I rambled: Don't be afraid to introduce yourself to the community. Post some vids of yourself, get some help, introduce yourself to your smash community (there will be threads for your city, regardless of where you live), and just have fun. It's a great experience.

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Originally Posted by LiquidD

no it's not. there's nothing clever about it. it's just cheap. if you look at other people who play in tournaments on youtube, you'll see that most of the times when their opponents go out of the stage, they back up some to let them back up because they know that hogging the edge is a cheap kill.

No one backs up and lets their opponents on in a tournament match. Not any good players, anyway. If you've seen someone back up, they are most likely spacing, to have a better way to attack the opponent when they get back.

LiquidD · 01-28-2008, 06:57 AM

well, the people i saw did that. and i usually back away too because it's not my thing.

Fox · 01-28-2008, 06:59 AM

Edgehogging is more of a mental slap-in-the-face then a free KO IMO.
Letting you're oponent come back without wory is courteous, but hardened smashers do anything for a KO.

Prez · 01-28-2008, 06:59 AM

Was this tournament more for fun/casual play, with no competitive players?
Because ledgehogging is basically required, if your playing on a serious level.

LiquidD · 01-28-2008, 07:02 AM

i don't know. i didn't read the details. it just said smash bros tournament. it was a youtube vid but i'm guessing it was competitive since there were a lot of people watching.

Prez · 01-28-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidD

i don't know. i didn't read the details. it just said smash bros tournament. it was a youtube vid but i'm guessing it was competitive since there were a lot of people watching.

Really don't want to start an argument here, but I can assure you, ledgehogging is really not considered cheap. It is a very fair move to do, and it actually does require some skill. Most people do not even know how to do it or how it actually works. It is VERY necessary to do in any competitive match.

LiquidD · 01-28-2008, 07:14 AM

theres not much skill needed to edgehogging, espcially with marth. i mean, i'm just guessing here too, all you have to do with marth is just stand back a little, at the right time start charging this b attack and let go when he comes enough or just do a simple slash attack as he's coming or jump up and and do a down+a attack to send him down with force.?

mushroomedmario · 01-28-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidD

theres not much skill needed to edgehogging, espcially with marth. i mean, i'm just guessing here too, all you have to do with marth is just stand back a little, at the right time start charging this b attack and let go when he comes enough or just do a simple slash attack as he's coming or jump up and and do a down+a attack to send him down with force.?

that's not edgehogging, that's edge guarding

edgehogging is when you grab on to the ledge, so that your opponent can't grab onto it

Fox · 01-28-2008, 07:17 AM

I thought you were talking about hanging off of the edge and not letting them recover.
You're definition of edgehogging is so basic i'm wondering if you even play SSB

mushroomedmario · 01-28-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tails McCloud~

I thought you were talking about hanging off of the edge and not letting them recover.
You're definition of edgehogging is so basic i'm wondering if you even play SSB

meh, all my friends are smash freaks, as in they play a lot, but they don't really know much about advance techniques, just cause they're too lazy to look them up

Prez · 01-28-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidD

theres not much skill needed to edgehogging, espcially with marth. i mean, i'm just guessing here too, all you have to do with marth is just stand back a little, at the right time start charging this b attack and let go when he comes enough or just do a simple slash attack as he's coming or jump up and and do a down+a attack to send him down with force.?

A lot more is needed than that. A skilled Marth will not simply charge his B move to edge guard. Anyone could avoid that.
There are also many different types of edgeguarding.
Ledgehogging is where you hang on the ledge, and when they are about to do their up+b to get up, press shield at the right moment to roll away from the ledge, using your invincible frames, but still hogging the edge.
With Marth, a common edge guard is to hang on the edge, and ledge-hop spike, where he will get up, but spike the opponent under him.
These are very simple to competitive players, but concepts that people learning the game really must get their head around. These are not just simple, cheap moves. They are well thought out, skillful tactics.