I love Brawl. Absolutely LOVE it, one of the greatest games I've ever played (the others are Melee, Kingdom Hearts, and OoT). Still, Melee's combat was much more skill oriented and rewarding. Brawl seems like any new player can pick up a controller and still be a force to be reckoned with at times. That's not NECESSARILY a bad thing, but if there is another Smash Bros. game, I think Sakurai should return to the Melee style- fast paced, skill-oriented, and strategic.
As for the Forbidden 7, the only new one that truly interests me is Plusle and Minun (mostly because they appear to be unique). So they're not a big loss in my opinion.
Except Mewtwo. There shall forever be an empty gap in my heart reserved for Mewtwo. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO?!?!?!? *sniff*

....I-I'm sorry... I lost control...

They took out advanced techniques and made you floaty. Woo.
That's one of the faults I see in the game...
When I say "clone", I don't mean C+P moveset to a different looking character. I mean 2 characters that are VERY similar, but not exactly the same. I think Falco and Fox are clones, you can try arguing that, however.

Another thing I'm disappointed in; why is there a tier list? Can Sakurai not make every character have an equal amount of perks and faults? Of course some would be at a disadvantage in certain match-ups, but that would be awesome IMO. It's just like in sports, you can have two outstanding players, but one's style dominates the other. They both have may have equal skill, but it's just particular match ups which screw them up.

I think Smash Bros. would fair better if there weren't characters such as Wario and G&W, who obviously can't hold their own against the likes of Marth or Wolf. I'm not saying to get rid of these guys, but rather upgrade them. I know that Brawl has balanced out the playing field more than the N64 or GCN versions ever did, but I'd like it to take a huge step forward in that department.

What I like about the game is that a good player can use any character, regardless. In fact most people on Smashboards consider G & W to be pretty good. But anyways yeah if you were to go back on Melee you would usually pick either Fox or Marth. If Bowser were to match up against those guys he would get killed.
But this is getting off the subject.

Topic's been answered, might as well use it for a good discussion.

G&W is OK, but I really doubt that he could beat a Marth or Fox. Like I said, I would prefer a "As Balanced As Possible" playing field.

floaty+smoothened things out+general feel

on tier lists:
on a game so heavily researched (meaning those smashboard backroomers who spend hours examining the game's mechanics) there is NO possible way to make a perfectly balanced game. there simply isn't enough time to test it out. it takes these gamers years to make a tier list. do you expect them to test the game for years to make it perfect? its not as simple as it sounds. And hey, whats the harm in having that feeling of complete ownage when you rip your friend's main to peices with your pichu lol or in brawl terms.. your DK.

on Game and Watch. he's my main. if you do some research into him you'll find that he's one of the best characters in the game. IMO his only weakness is that he dies quickly. yes he sucked in melee but the mechanics of brawl helped him a lot. he can pillar, chain grab, and combo like a champ now.

on clones finally. its all a matter of opinion. as you said you consider them clones cuz they look the same. personally though i feel that two characters with the same play style are clones. not ones that look alike. sure fox and falco look alike... they're both the same species... but try playing your falco the same as your fox... you'll get owned. your up kicks wont KO, your drill kicks wont combo into shines... its just completely different. thats why i dont feel that there are clones. you must play each character differently.. regardless of how similar they look

I understand the testing this would need to be complete, but I'd rather have them take the time instead of producing Brawl in less than 3 years when many people were hoping for it to be one of the greatest games ever. I'm also not asking for a perfect playing field, just a VERY close one, so that there's not the DKs and the Marths.
I was referring to Melee. And like I said, I know Brawl has leveled out the characters more, but I have to think it can be made even better..
I wasn't talking about their physical appearance, but yeah, I'm aware they have different power as well as a few other things. However, as I do not play as them, I CAN play my Falco like I do my Fox (and vice versa).


I guess we'll just see, hopefully there will be a statement in 09' depicting the future of SSB.

oh ya i know you weren't talking about their physical appearance you meant their move sets right?

and ya in melee he was overpowered. especially as for some unknown reason you couldn't l cancel his parachute... lol

and yes i see what you mean... but in hind sight... I'd never give up the opportunity to play brawl for that long haha i'd rather an unbalanced game than none at all lol maybe a future update? far fetched i know but still... lol

...i had one other thing to say... but i forgot lol so i guess thats it lol kudo's to you for not letting that get heated. nice debate

Ahaha, yeah. Heated debates are retarded, as they lead nowhere except the banhammer.

Fear The Hammer!

oh....The Forbidden 7 are not unlockable characters and they will never be!

wtf is forbidden 7?

Please read. It's educational.

To answer the questions on who are the forbidden 7:

Dr. Mario
Mewtwo
Roy
Dixie Kong
Toon Zelda/Tetra
Pra & Mai aka Plusle and Minun

There is a seventh, which did not know about. Is it Toon Ganondorf?

^^ no tetra and toon zelda were counted as 2 seperate characters like zelda and sheik
by the way if nintendo ever makes downloadable characters( not gonna happen )these would be the first to get because their already halfway in the game

never even knew its existed

the mechanics behind melle was great they changed it and added to an adventure mode of what could have been in melee as well as "new" characters; the gameplay mechanics should have been untouched and if there was need of refinement more advanced techniques should have not been taken away. like on melee the way you attack with the a button and the way in which even if you are facing the enemy and presing attack and how attacks were made was more finesse; in actuality if the roy form melee was unchanged and placed in brawl we would be "op" is the term; so i feel it was a good addition for those who dont keep up with a series of titles as such this. i find the gameplay mechanics slower than melee and less refined; about the characters . snake is unlocked now and his smashes are like specials which if the controll mechanics were similar in melee would have been nice; but i cant complain at the greatness of the presentation of the title. i know melee got a lil boring after mastery maybe thats why so many minor elements were changed in brawl., only time will tell for me. im trying to get my finesse down pat but for some reason the slightest tilt is a dash as not present in melee: in reference to calibration and there are other minor things i notice that ill just have to overcome. to bad theres not like other modes of character interaction with user. like modalities that requi