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  1. Jimmer1720

    Jimmer1720 Awating Headset Support

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    Ok, this is the thing. I've recently "converted", if you will, to an atheist. My parents/family are all catholics. I was baptized as a child, and I still have a cross in my closet from that baptizing. So am I wrong to change religions on my family?

    The reason why I changed was simple. I need a logical explanation for everything. EVERYTHING. Say, for example, myself and a priest see a little shining light in the corner, I would need a logical explanation for it. Spark, flashlight, reflection, whatever. But the priest would look at that and go, "oh...perhaps it's a sign. Maybe jesus is showing us the way." I can't see the logic in that, so I choose not to believe it.

    And on T.V, you got pastors who simply put their full hand on a person's forehead, say "The power of God is flowing through your body" and this person is instantly cured of cancer in their lungs. It just simply doesn't make sense to me, so I cannot believe in it.

    It's not that I think it's fake, but until some miraculous thing happens to me, for instance I ACTUALLY SEE heaven, then yes, I'll believe after that. But until it does, I just can't believe in something, that to me, doesn't make sense.

    Now, what I'm asking is, Am I simply being ignorant? Should I have proper beliefs? Am I making a mistake by choosing not to believe in any religion at all?

    Thanks for any input you make.
     
  2. JAKE196

    JAKE196 Cogito Ergo Sum

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    break free!

    think for yourself!

    :yesnod:

    I need a logical explanation for everything too. ^_^
     
  3. ARav989

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    I dont think your being ignorant. its whatever you believe in. i too look mainly on the logical side of things..but i also look at the spiritual and religious side.
    example. religiously; god created universe. logically; big bang

    see what i mean?
     
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    good for you i believe atheism is the way but my mom and grandma are kinda religous and wont let us change over but my dad is like an atheist.
     
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    Good for you dude...following youself and not your family!:thumbsup:
     
  6. konomaroh

    konomaroh I'm a gun

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    ignorant isnt what you are... you just dont believe in some made up stuff.....
     
  8. Jimmer1720

    Jimmer1720 Awating Headset Support

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    Lol that's funny, but if i I have to fill out an application for something, or when I apply for a job, I can't say next to Religion: Ryantology:lol:
     
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    laderer5 Wii > Xbox360 +PS3

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    No duh, religion was created way back then for power and control over people. If you think about it peple were easily manipulated back then and if you made them think they would die and not be given a haven they would follow your orders. Such as fighting in the crusades. Then other people caught on to the idea and made up other religions,:crazy: and here we are today
     
  10. LeWaffles

    LeWaffles CUSTOM

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    well imao i think that there is a god or a superior being, and we don't know everything and we may not be able to comprehend everything. It's crazy how we are able to learn and discover new things but is there a limit to what we can understand? Seeing is believing but we don't know what's out there as well. You're not ignorant btw.

    EDIT some things may sound far-fetched, but isn't it strange how we exist as well? idk sometimes if i think about the big picture, the absolute big picture of things, it's just crazy.
     
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    We evolved from tiny organisms VERY LONG AGO, like billions of years ago. when the earth was created, during the big bang.
     
  12. mn777saint

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    Facts

    Know your facts...Look for Evidence...look deep into Reasearch & History...
    "Ignorance is bliss"...
    "knowing is half the battle"
    Be Knowlagable...
    not as a smart alec but...more as I've done my homework

    Example: It's a Theory Not A FACT yet, that the Earth is Billons of years old...
    But its a Fact, we have evidence to prove the spinning /rotation of the earth...is slowing down...The Atomic Clock has a 3 second per 1000 year error...it means the earth is slowing down 3 seconds per 1000 years...like top spining slower as it winds down...But whats a "Year" 365 days...no...more like 360 as you find in a circle as in 360 degrees = mathamatical fact.
    But if we use this Quantim math Fact to simulate the reversal of the rotation/spinning of the earth...we wind up literaly spining so fast... Life as we know it could not exist even 5 to 10 Million years (360 days = degree rotation of a circle) ago...
    Example: Its aslo a Fact (we have evidence to prove) the Earth is moving away from the Sun...Very Slowy..but moving none the less...like a bullet or ball thrown...its velocity of speed is not a constant, which mean its slowing down...it had a Starting point, a point of impact, or trigger if you will...so in calculating the Quantim math Fact to simulate its position at its trigger based on the its velocity of speed...the Earth would be inside the Sun even 5 to 10 Million years ago

    So the theroy that the earth is Billions of years old Does not hold up under Quantim Math Facts

    like I said...do your homework

    Real Faith is based on Fact not feelling
     
  13. mn777saint

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    Law

    The Second Law (fact) Of Thremodynamics is simple thus an Explosion Cannot create, It Destroys...Ask any Victim of An explosion...were you hurt or healed...Explosions do not create Paterns, Nor do they create order...But Chaos...
    Our own Scientific Law of Fact....the "Big Bang"....Could never have created the perfect order of our patern that sustains life...If you don't believe me or the second law of thermodynamics...try clening up or bring order to your room by the use of a Handgrenade....Just aint gonna happen is it.
    So Big Bang bata boom...Never happend...it's still a Theory.

    Just look around you dude...do you really think all this some big accident, that just so happend....someone made the chair your sitting on, someone made the CPU your using someone makes the games we play...
    Eveything known to man has one thing in commom...where did it come from, Who made it...A creator.
     
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    there are the facts but, they only explain so much, the others are just theories, faith and religion are theories too. There is just some things we can't explain and some don't accept it, imo.
     
  15. Hybrid

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    Buddhism...anyone...
     
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    Zarogan Official Metroid Breeder

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    You are not being ignorant, you're choosing for yourself and that is always right. I don't believe in any religion but I do believe there is something superior, call it energy if you like, we are all made of it. I dont think of it as a sentient being but more of a way that everything is connected. I'm also a person that needs facts to believe in something, but I just don't think everything was created by coincidence, there has to be something bigger.
     
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    I'm with you on this one, science and logic all the way! :)
     
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    what about deism?
     
  19. milliways

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    I think you are misunderstanding the concept of the big bang. Matter was created. From matter eventually came 'existence'. That whole gravity thing: pulling atoms and molecules together over billions of years over the stretches of the universe, forming gas giants, stars and planets... new compounds and elements being formed...

    At least that's how I was taught it when I was in school, but I haven't done cosmology or physics in over five years. I was more of a biology girl.
     
  20. mn777saint

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    long answer - sorry for the lenght

    Again not to be the "Preacher" here, I wiil not promote any Religious Sect...
    "Knowledge is truly the Key to all understanding"

    My Story 100 precent legit: I too was born into a Catholic backround...being the tenth child of ten kids wasn't easy...Bourn and raised in Very strick Roman Cathlolsism...I puked out evey last doctrin that shoved down my throat...I turnded to Paganisim/New age enlightenment/sorcery,witchcraft (White Majik), Incantations, Divinations, Necromancy (Black Majik), & even human Blood sacrfices, (Blood/Red Majik) I was a wizard of the 12 degree, a Wican of a coven of 13 members....I had "Powers" that mere humans could comprhend...(No joke Dead serious)...But these "Powres" grow deep with Greed, envy,lust, and hatred, it was all about "Self" before otheres.
    These "Spirit guides" or "Familyrs" were to do "My" Biding....Unbeknoweset to me I was doing "thier" bidding...
    so lets just say the 'Supernatural" is real...these Supernatural/spiritual bieng exist (my eyes have seen them)
    So when a comoner gose to a Witch, Shaman, Wizard, Fortune Teller ect...to seek answers that No one else alive could possibly know...And get a acruate answer...that answer came from a disguised supernatural bieng acting on behafe of the Medium used...(these beings do not age and span for generations...so of course they know where Aunt Ruth burried the family tresuse... they were there when she did it)

    Now as to why I'm no loger practicing any of the above activities is a brush with death and the after life...If you dont think there is somthing after this life you are shurly mistaken...Even though Ive never been to China, Does not mean it does not exist...So even the you nevr been to Hell, it does not mean it does not exist...I can ask some one who visted China and find out what it was like...You can ask me what Hell was like For I visited Hell...its as real as China is... and no Drugs or alcohol or mood altering drugs were the catilist for the ride

    It's a place where I never ever want to go back too ever again, nor do I wish it upon any onelse...

    I was in a Car Acident, I was the driver of a 2 door potiac hatch back, and the time of the accident, my stupidity, anger & frustation got the best of me, My Mother passed away 3 months prior to this incident...so that added to the depression, so I had the neddle of the speedometer Burried past 90 Mph
    & a 20 mph curve came upon me to soon to react, from 90 mph to Dead Stop withen 15 feet the car hit a Powerline pole (the real big thick ones) & hit on the drivers side...the crash crushed my car & Broke the Poerline pole (I got the bill from the city), the cars wheels were pined by the metal, the engin block cracked upon impact, the drverside door smashed my left chest area, broke/fractured 4 ribs, one of which punctured my left lung causing it to fill with blood... I should be dead, So Im in no condion to drive, the car is in no comdition to travel due the wheels bieng crushed....yet they found me 2.3 milles away from the broken Powerline pole. yeah... headline for the front page read
    "Police baffed, Juvinial Found in Carwreck, the Jaws of life were used to remove him from the vehicle...yet he was found 2.3 miles away from the seen of the accident...Unable to dermin wheter or not they can charge him with leaving the scene of an accident, but unable to determin how he moved 2.3 miles due to the condition of the car & Himself"

    none of my so called "powers" we effective, no spells or incantations, or spirit guides would help...I could do nothing to save myself...I needed a Saviour
    (a life guard) I knew I was dying...I saw Hell, cus thats was were I was headed...
    Again no drugs caused this trip...I saw, Smelled, felt, the Darknes that I was to be sent too...I cried out to God "I want to live...if theres is any time that you can prove your existace now woudl be a good time...so if you exist, prove it I want to live"

    Well im alive...Ribs healed, Lung Healed...is it a coincidene or does God really
    Exist...from my encounter I would have to say yes - he does...

    Ill post a pic of the car i was driving and you see - I just have to get photo bucket loaded up...

    A pic is worth a thosand word & I hope you will see what I mean

    Know before you think, Think before you act, and do what it is you believe.

    "Only a fool says in his heart thier is no God"


    Game on
     

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