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Discussion in 'Nintendo Wii Chat' started by RPGMasterTurk91, Apr 10, 2007.

  1. RPGMasterTurk91

    RPGMasterTurk91 Turkish RPG Master

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    When you hear the word "philosophy" you probably think "Oh Gaawwwd, he's gonna get into detail of every little thing and why they happen, how they happen and the reason behind them all. However, this is onlypartially the case, and I will try to keep it entertaining as well, if you like to listen to other perspectives and what people think, this shouldn't be a problem. However, isn't that what forums are all about anyways? Reading other people's thoughts and giving your own through text? :ciappa:

    Before I go on...It is vital that you know that it is very difficult explaining something you have all known in your mind to words--in any language. Please bear that in mind and take into consideration of what might be written poorly or confusing. Message me after saying waht you exactly didn't get. Also, don't think of me as some psycho who thinks of things extremely deeply and has no life...cuz this isn't true, as much as it may seem :yikes:

    Anyways, people have failed to recognize that the games people like to play are not their full choice. Yes of course, they choose the games they want to play with THEIR free will and play it accordingly--but what drives them to play a certain TYPE of game or games is pretty much a natural choice--something that you cannot control necessarily. It doesn't make sense for one to bash you for the games you play, constantly calling the games "gay" and they question why you play such "retarted" games, and basically why you don't like the types of games they play. They take it for granted that the majority of gamers love to play shooting games and this is what thrills the human mind, and the fact that tehy love it too. Am i right? They can't stand the fact that you play these other games that are considered "kiddy, gay, confusing" and so on. Therefore, attacking one another verbally on the internet or in real life is very stupid--it's all about game PREFERENCE. Who cares what systems people like best? I mean, did they literally CHOOSE what type of games you will like? Where I'm from, Nintendo-based games, or even MMORPGs are considered kiddy, gay, not cool. Is it the same where you (the reader) are from? If you are having fun peacefully while doing so as a side hobby and saying which games and systems are better, so be it. But when people get serious and start baggering people for what type of games they play, they take for granted the fact that they like the current games that are in, but don't consider the fact that neither of them chose exactly what game or type of game to like. This is being ignorant and selfish. Nobody in my town even GETS RPG games, with the whole leveling up system and what not...they just carry on that that stuff is gay. Anyone getting a vibe of what I'm saying at all?

    Remember, when explaining these things in ANY language, transferring the information from one's mind to words, is very difficult and often comes out vague. Also, my mind goes blank a lot in the process so I probably missed a lot, as lots of different popints are running through my head, and trying to get them all down without forgetting is hard. :eek:
     
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    Not meaning to offend but I didn't read it. Shorter version please lol
     
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    :p no comment XD ill read ltr

    sry for posting im to bored to erase
     
  4. RPGMasterTurk91

    RPGMasterTurk91 Turkish RPG Master

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    lol you see waht the word "philosophy" does to people? They can't bear it...But mine is interesting and worth making points about it, and listening/responding to it lol =). If you read the whole think carefully, you'll probably get the basis of waht I'm trying to explain here...it takes a lot out of my brain to write this all down as well, itsl ike translating Chinese to English, where the word choice is key.
     
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    surfinrach90 I GOT A JAR OF DIRT.

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    You keep saying they..who do you mean by they?

    Sorry this is probably obvious but.. as you said you had trouble writing it and English isn't actually my first language so.. I actually find stuff like that hard to read sometimes lol.
     
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    I read it all (very, very short guys, c'mon) and I think I pretty much agree with you.

    Your game preference is decided from the a) the things you enjoy b) your own choice c) what you've ALWAYS liked (childhood likings or whatever). You choose the games you're going to like of course; if you only like FPS's then you aren't going to go out and buy "Peach's Fun Super Adventure" wrapped up nicely in a pink box with a ribbon. Your own choice of course can take a role as well, even if you ONLY like FPS's, your friend might be telling you how great RPG's are, so you're convinced and you buy an RPG. Than there's the childhood influences. As "gay" as this may sound, there's ALWAYS going to be a place in my heart for Pokemon. Pokemon is what I grew up, it brings back so many memories, plus it's a load of fun. I don't give a damn that other people think it's gay, I like playing Pokemon.

    I agree 100% with how a lot of people love FPS's because of the thrill: the thrill of being able to command life. You can choose to live or let die, and it doesn't matter which you choose (technically) because you can just restart the level from your last saving point and redo it. These things, like you said, fascinate the mind and give us that adrenaline when you turn that dark corner (of course if you die, you're ready for it next time ;)) and find a gang of muggers about to...well, mug you. You die, you laugh, restart. It's like a small portion of being invincible, which people like.

    Nice to see you back Turkmaster. :) You've been gone a while.

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    I have the same problem at times as well, no worries. :)

    He just means "the general public". Everyone loves that adrenaline it gives you, at least most everyone.
     
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    RPGMasterTurk91 Turkish RPG Master

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    hmm i know i said "they" a lot, but can u give me some direct examples so i can explain to you better? Oh, and English IS my first language...what I was saying is that transferring information that could really only be FULLY understood by yourself onto a piece of paper is very difficult. I hope I made that clearer now lol.
     
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    surfinrach90 I GOT A JAR OF DIRT.

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    Well the first few times you mention 'they' I can see that you are referring to the people who play games, but then you say..

    'They take it for granted that the majority of gamers love to play shooting games and this is what thrills the human mind, and the fact that they love it too.' - who takes it for granted exactly?
     
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    RPGMasterTurk91 Turkish RPG Master

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    Thanks for welcoming me back, and i love your post to my thread just as much as the post I wrote. Seems like you got everything down and even explained things a little further--like the childhood part and what not--things i was trying to squeeze out but was a little tough lol. I'm glad there are people who understand what I'm talking about. And yes, although Pokemeon is old and kiddy, and i certainly am not into the card game and whole conept for the most part, there is still a place for Pokemon in my heart as well. The concept of the RPG games are still teh same, whether there is a "corny" background of pokemon-natured events, its all still fun and the fun never fully lets go.

    The thrills that people have are very similar like the FPSs, as you said. In fact, there really are only a handful of people who DONT enjoy that thrill. For example, it is agreeable that the majority of people ENJOY going to a theme park. But there still are those few people who don't find fun in that kind fo stuff and would prefer not to take part. That was kind of a choppy example, but I think you get the point :rolleyes:
     
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    Rach, when I read that I took it for the people that say that "gun games are corrupting our young" and "they will cause the next generation to be a bunch of killers".

    I'm not sure, but that's what I got out of it.

    Btw, you speak English very well, I would have never guess it was your 2nd language. :yikes: That goes for your boyfriend as well.

    *EDIT*
    Thanks. :)

    I was just wondering about you 2 days ago as well as yesterday, then you show up today....strange. :/
     
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    There ya go

    ahhh--the majority of the people who enjoy just that--the people who enjoy playing FPS's, are the same people who make the majority of liking these types of games...and it is safe to say that they are less tolerant of those who play games otherwise. People who play games that the majority of the masses consider "cool", mostly FPSs you can say, usually tend to bash Nintendo players, as this is considered, for the most part, the opposite--"uncool", and even "kiddy". But what they (the majority, and the majority of the people prefer these "cool" games over the "uncool" games i just mentioned) fail to realize is that the people find enjoyment, thrill, fun in these games--whether or not the the basher knows it. OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE PLAY GAMES BECAUSE THEY FIND THEM FUN. THEY DON'T CHOOSE THEM DUE TO THEIR "GAY, LOSERISH" NATURE. (This is not a shout, but rather a loud talk thats NOT a shout lol). To answer your question simply, "they" almost always implies the majority of the people. The majority of the people play "cooler" games. That's just the way it is by nature...more people will end up playing games they think are cooler and better, obviously.
     
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    So I wasn't right in my last post. :yikes:

    I think Rach was asking who you were talking about when you said how "they don't realize the majority of those who like FPS's...." as in you were referring to "they" as the group of people who aren't the majority, who are against the "norm".
     
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    RPGMasterTurk91 Turkish RPG Master

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    Yea, the weirdest of occurences happen to me all the time...Sometimes I feel that I'm the Chosen One in this world, that I'm the only person who can really feel and see and is conscious. But those are at select few times when certain odd things happen lol...therefore, its more natural than you'd think, but still unnatural :crazy: .

    Last time i said something like that in an MMORPG where lots of people can see your text, i got a whole bunch freaked out comments by people they were like "Are you Ok? Are you emo or something?" Meh... (and Btw, No, I'm not emo at all).
     
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    Sorry for double=posting, but I need to get back on comments :p I'm sure you all understand...

    No, I think you gave a good explanation, my explanations are just kind of confusing. You definately weren't totally wrong with what you said, as I found some right in it lol.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Thanks for the explanation guys :)

    I find this a really interesting thread, and I see what you're getting at RPGMasterTurk91 and would have to agree with you :)

    Ohh and ssbb_lover my boyfriends first language is English lol, just me who's got Welsh as my first :D I learned it before I learned English lol, and went to a Welsh school, while he went to a English school.

    He makes fun of me and my lack of English terms, like the things like full stops and er..commas lol ^-^
     
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    Lol, I actually think that sometimes too. Yet another mystery of the human mind. :/ I guess since you can't feel other's pain, love, other emotions you just can't except the fact they are the same as you, since you have YOUR OWN pain, love, other emotions; since you can actually experience yours, you seem more real to yourself then others...

    And maybe I just described that in such a confusing fashion you won't understand....:drool: Maybe we're twins. :tard:
     
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    Well I wouldn't clump the words, 'gay, kiddy, and not cool' together. That can imply bad things, and if I understand what your saying right you wouldn't be the type of person to say a gay person is not cool due to the sole fact that the are gay.

    Political issues aside and agree and disagree. People have the right to like whatever type of game they enjoy. That is after all what games are about enjoyment. There are constant debates about things like this in an online game I play (guild wars), there is a storyline and a PvE (player versus enviroment) setting which many people enjoy, and a high paced PvP (player vs player) competitive enviroment. It depends on what you enjoy but everyone plays to have fun. Some people PvP for fun, whether they win or lose they enjoy the game. Some people only have fun by winning.

    I do however disagree with the fact that you say "Anyways, people have failed to recognize that the games people like to play are not their full choice." Whether you admit it or not, you can choose whichever games you like. Unless you are underage and a certain restriction is placed you have the power to spend your money where you want to. The same rationale is used against the news and television. They say that we don't decide what we watch on TV and what news is important. The media decides it by putting that on, but all laziness aside we can choose a different news source or station.
     
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    RPGMasterTurk91 Turkish RPG Master

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    I've only met two people who share the same deepest thoughts as me in my life--and it's REALLY exciting, yet creepy when they lay everything down just as you would--you would never expect them to believe things almost just as much as you do. You feel like you must become friends with them immdediately, as no other person has accepted those beliefs as you do. You may be the third rare person who thinks of things in such a fashion met in an extremely rare case through the internet. Maybe this was supposed to happen? :eek:ut: lol anyways, i have a twin brotehr, and he understands everything just as I dO for the most part--and its definately not a coincidence that he's my twin brother (faternal) and it is only us who think that way. The other person is my older brother's friend, who only came over once, but all of a sudden we got into this conversation when my older brother was sleeping somehow and stayed up till 4 talking about those things...when you meet that rare oppurtunity, its impossible to let it go. (this message pretty much goes to SSBB's ears, as he would probably comprehend it all best). Oh yea, and your comment did not confuse me, but probably others who do not think as we do in our manners and what not. I guess that's what it is :thumbsup:
     
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    The word "gay" is by no means implying the sexual orientation of a person and is therefore an obvious term recognized by the general public, and I'm only using it cause the people who describe the games call it that. However, I did not literally "choose" to like to play RPG games and party games, but not FPSs as much. It came naturally to me to like such games. I noticed that (but is definately not restricted to) highly intelligent people really grasp RPG games. Nintendo games, RPG games, MMORPGs--it is safe to say that more Asians are into these types of games than non-Asians. Not stereotyping, but rather giving facts--the fact that many Asians play these types of games over non-Asians, simply put. Is it a coincidence that 1/4 kids in China are honors students, and 7/25 kids in india are honors students? Top two countries in the world with percentages that high, also love anime in America over anyone else. And I'm not saying that EVERYTHING in life is determined through natural destination, but rather many things that in the end decide your strengths and weaknesses, your likes and dislikes--the way you were born and raised determines most of this. Through hard work, you can surpass anything that you just did NOT aquire naturally. In fact, that's what this world is a lot about--getting better at things you are not ALREADY excellent at, getting better and better. This is natural for human beings. Without getting too much into philisophy (as what i had just explained earlier is basically plain english), i hope you understand my point. And with this explanation and analogies, I hope you can relate to "playing videogames".

    Again, although it was plain English, it was difficult for me to write everything down all in one shot.
     
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    I still don't buy that anyone is naturally destined to play a specific genre of game. It can certainly be shaped by your up-bringing and the culture in which you live but it's not like we are stamped at birth as stupid, FPS player, RPG player, platform expert, smart.
     

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