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Poor Picture Quality with Wii during in game fog/mist.

Discussion in 'Nintendo Wii Chat' started by rockstar62, Feb 20, 2008.

  1. rockstar62

    rockstar62 WiiChat Member

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    Hi,

    This is my 1st post and I love my wii. I have it hooked up to a 42 inch LCD Samsung through "Mad Catz" component cables.

    Here is the reason for my 1st post:

    When I went to play Zelda TP the other day, I noticed something very strange. When I am in a place that has a fog or a mist, such as Kakariko Village or Lakebed Temple, there is a distortion to the picture. Words can not describe what I am seeing, but it is there. Almost like 100s of pixels are out of focus arranged throughout the screen.

    I decided to load up Resident Evil 4 and see if I notice it there too. I did. It happens only in foggy areas. Like where you fight the monster in the lake(lots of fog/mist in that game).

    In essence, if there is no fog or mist, the PICTURE IS PERFECT.

    Throw a little fog/mist in there and you get these tiny little dots that are red blue and green all over the screen(only where there is fog).

    So I decided to troubleshoot..... I have my wii settings on 480p, my TV is on component "game mode". I tried to switch some of this around and still no HELP. I left everything as mentioned above/ the way it is supposed to be.

    I will tell you this, when I use the GC version of TP, there is NO PROBLEMS, and when I used my PS2 copy or RE4, there is no problems.

    Do you guys think I have a problem with my wii or a bad set of component cables?

    Help appreciated.

    -rockstar
     
  2. Budo

    Budo Raging Clue

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    I don't know exactly why it happens on the Wii, but this exact same effect used to happen when PC games would run in 16-bit colour, and not 32-bit. Again, I don't know if this is the problem with the Wii in general, certain games, or even if that's what's causing it in the first place, but that's what generally causes it. I'm sure if they use compression on some of the graphic files, this effect could happen as well.

    EDIT: It happens in NMH when you hold down the run key on Travis, and smoke starts coming off his feet. You'll notice it most when you have a colour transitioning into different shades.
     
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  3. George

    George Wii 4 teh Wiin

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    It will have to be the TV or ur wii specifically becuase no1 else has had this problem. (As far as a know) And Budo i too have noticed that it happens on a PC, when i was playing homeworld and changed the colour bit, the dustclouds and nebula looked pixelated.
     
  4. rockstar62

    rockstar62 WiiChat Member

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    Is there a certain term that refers to this? Pixelating maybe?

    I find it hard to believe that my TV could be the problem since all my other games work fine. Remember the GC version works well with my TV, while played on the wii. Weird huh?

    The only difference between the GC version and the Wii is the fact that the wii is in Widescreen. Is this a problem with a GC port? Remember RE4 and Zelda were both GC ports on the Wii.

    It is a bit disappointing that this happens. I love this game!

    I was hoping that someone would come on here and say it is common and this is the fix. I swear I have not noticed this before, but have not been playing the game since last Feb. I have a ton of Virtual Console games DLed and not sure if that effects anything at all........ All seems to be fine with VC games too.

    Its just the mist/ fog that screws everything up. Other than that, the games picture is PERFECT.

    Let me be clear, that the two responses above seem to pinpoint exactly what I mean, this is not jagged edges or any other complain I have read about on this forum"yes I know how to search/LOL) .

    The graphics/picture is truly incredible until smoke/mist/fog or whatever comes into play only on the WII games. My PS3 and 360 both work great with fog and HDTV. Unfortunately we only get 480p with the wii, but the small pixels in the smoke graphics is driving me crazy and almost makes it unenjoyable to play.
     
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  5. hoopsdude1

    hoopsdude1 Wii Owner

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    my screen goes wierd when i first power up my wii cause around the channels it goes fuzzy any help ? (it doesent happen after the 3rd time tho )
     
  6. Budo

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    Colour banding on Wikipedia

    Again, not saying this is the specific problem with the Wii, but if I had to give an answer, I would say this is pretty much it. If this is the problem, there is nothing you can do about it; it's a limit in either the game, or the game system.
     
  7. rockstar62

    rockstar62 WiiChat Member

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    If it is a limit in the game or game system, would there not be more documented cases of this?
     
  8. hoopsdude1

    hoopsdude1 Wii Owner

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    ye but its juct on the wii menu
     
  9. Budo

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    I'd say for the most part, the majority of the people just don't notice the difference. If you own a 360 or PS3, and play games with high depth fog (COD4), and then come back to the Wii, I'm sure you'll notice it. It's harder to notice if you're used to the effect, or if you're going from Wii to PS3. You may even think that's the way it's supposed to be if you haven't seen fog/mist without banding.

    The main reason I can spot it pretty much off the bat, is because I grew up in the 16-bit to 32-bit switch over on the PC. I'm sure there are more people on this board in the same boat as I am. There was a whole thing on whether gamers could notice the difference, blah, blah, blah... and 3dfx died.:lol:

    EDIT: You also have to remember for a lot of Wii owners, this is their first console, so they definitely wouldn't know what colour banding is.
     
  10. wezeles

    wezeles Guru of everything Ninty

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    Can you get a screen shot of it?

    I've heard of projection t.v's like DLP's having issues with handling shadow effects, I know mine doesn't do a great job of it, and I have seen it happen on some darker movies from time to time, its about the only thing you ever notice outta whack.
    I've seen some of the LCD's and Plasma's with the same problem usually its not as bad,total screen shadow plauges them, for some reason these new t.v's just can't handle shadow effects aswell as the older CRT's do.

    Im guessing thats the real problem if its the only place you notice pixilation. The mixture of dark colors "black and grey" moving at a slower rate of speed than the brighter colors seems to make the shadow pop out and be pixilated. It probably has more to do with the picture processing and not the acctual content being fed to it.
    Mine will do it in 480 or 1080 it just is limited to specific shadow sources.
     
  11. rockstar62

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    I will try and get a screen shot of it tonight. Thanks.
     
  12. pantherfan

    pantherfan I like my Wii...A LOT!!!

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    First make sure that the cables are well connected. Second this sounds like it is the cables. i would try your cables that came with the wii. There is also a small chance that the inputs on your tv are faulty.
     
  13. wezeles

    wezeles Guru of everything Ninty

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    doubtful.

    The componet Cables themself support the basic colors "red,green,blue" that make up the picture, if it was a cabel issue you would have one of these colors drop out and all colors would look off because of it.

    Same would go for the inputs for the t.v., it would loose an entire color source, probably even the picture all together, most t.v's will not display componet sources without all 3 colors being there.

    Being this is an issue with "fog,shadows" white,grey,black colors, it's more likely the picture processing of the t.v. itself and not the input source. Probably no real fix and the only way to determin if this is the issue is to find other sources "besides the Wii" with the same fog/shadow effects.
     
  14. pantherfan

    pantherfan I like my Wii...A LOT!!!

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    You are right wezeles. But there have been occasions when there are internal problems with the inputs.
     
  15. wezeles

    wezeles Guru of everything Ninty

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    Even then you would loose an entire color not just "fog" effects, it would be further down the line than the inputs themself. It could be a problem with the board, effecting every input source, but not just one source.

    But this is a pretty common problem with these newer style televisions, some just can't process this type of effect as well. It's not something wrong, it just can't handle the effect with what it uses.
     
  16. Deanis

    Deanis Tip#67: Sell Your Wii

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    Our 55" Rear projection did this with the standard Wii cables. I noticed it with Resi4, where there are kinda......scattered horizontal lines through the fog, and its kinda 'noisy' pixelated...only word I can use to describe it is hazy, but thats kinda the point...
    With the official component cables i havent noticed it as much, but I think its still present, making me think its a limitation with the Wii.
     
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  17. wezeles

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    I get it with mine too on my 52 DLP "projection" It will do it with any source, but the better the signal the less noticable it will be. 480-pops out bad, 1080-still there but not as bad.

    Not that the bad effect is gone, in reality it's "shrunk down" because of the native screen resolution. The worst happens when im using SD in 4:3 and try to strech it to 16:9 on the t.v. Although thsi type of effect rarely pops up in games or movies so it's not the end of the world to me, I've learned to live with it.
     
  18. Deanis

    Deanis Tip#67: Sell Your Wii

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    Yea it doesnt bother me at all...I just noticed it, then got over it.
     
  19. Caliko

    Caliko I am Casual

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    The only thing I could think of is switching your component cables to a better brand. I never trusted Mad Catz, try the official Nintendo cables and see if the problem persist.
     
  20. rockstar62

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    Hey guys, thanks for the input. I have not had a chance to get a pic of this up, but I will.

    As for the idea of trying a different game....... Call of Duty looks amazing through HDMI on my Xbox 360 and PS3. You know when you throw a smoke bomb, this would be pixelated on my Wii. So I am not sure what the problem is, but nice to know others know what I am trying to say.

    I am sure it is a limitation with console/game. I think that HDTV is beginning to spoil us all. Hell, when I was a kid, I was lucky to have a 19inch color TV in my room.:lol:

    Anyways, I will try to follow up with a picture as soon as I can. My problem is that I have no internet right now, so I follow up with this thread at work.

    FWIW, I have my component cables ran through a component video switcher. I tried running them straight to my TV just to see if it helped...... And it did not:wtf: So, I am sure it is not a connection problem. As I have said, I play in "Game Mode" and I have tried messing around with turning that ON and OFF and a few other settings in my TV, but no luck.....

    -rockstar
     

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