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Discussion in 'Nintendo Wii Gaming' started by Ridewithme38, Mar 20, 2007.

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  1. Ridewithme38

    Ridewithme38 WiiChat Member

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    Ok i'm not looking to do anything illegal i've got a 16 month old daughter and am just looking to backup the games i already own JUST IN CASE!!(you have no idea how many scratched/unplayable CD/DVDs i've run into and broken controllers in the past)

    So is there anyway to backup wii games yet...honestly i don't even really need a way to play these games unless something happens to the originals the only way to play backups is with a modchip right?

    So sorry i ramble

    Is there a way to backup Wii games that you already own yet?
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    Can backups be played on the regular wii or do you need a modchip?



    AGAIN THIS IS NOT FOR ILLEGAL REASONS THIS WOULD BE TO BACKUP THE GAMES I ALREADY OWN...BACKUP IS LEGAL FOR THIS REASON...$50 is too much to replace a game i already owned!!
     
  2. iantimmy123

    iantimmy123 WiiChat Member

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    Try putting the games out of her reach.


    And yes you will need a mod chip. And now backing up is illegal if you look in agreements in most DVD and game software
     
  3. Squall7

    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    As far as I'm aware, any kind of duplication (and therefore backup) would be illegal. It even states on DVD's (and I'm pretty sure it is the case for Games too) that evasion of the copyright protection is illegal.

    Sorry, but if you're looking for a legal way, you will not find it. Illegal however, you will. Although it's forbidden (well, against the rules) to discuss (or ask how to do "backups") those kinds of issues on this forum (and many other forums too).
     
  4. Maleko

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    The EULA can say anything it wants. In the US you have the RIGHT to make back ups of any media you purchase regardless of what the EULA states. And also btw a EULA is NOT a law, it is a contract.
     
  5. Ridewithme38

    Ridewithme38 WiiChat Member

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    When addressing the legality of copying any electronic form of intellectual property, there is always debate. Whether talking about music, movies or games, manufactures fight to protect their copyrights, individuals fight to protect their investments and the reality of illegal piracy makes finding a mutually beneficial solution nearly impossible.

    Typically, the public looks to the Fair Use Act and the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 to define their rights. Though open to interpretation, in a nutshell, these Acts say that you may legally make a copy for personal backup purposes, if you were the one who bought (and still own) the original.

    This backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic game, not for the purpose of acquiring financial gain.

    The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 also states that copyright holders can't sue the average user for making home copies of their music. But the studios' lawyers say that the recording companies are not required to make available the technology to make backup copies. This means that manufacturers of electronic media will try to make their products as challenging as possible to copy.


    For more information on the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, click here:
    www.virtualrecordings.com


    As long as your not selling or giving away the copies its legal in america...i don't know how it works in other countries...it works the same way with DVD/cd's VHS even cassette tapes...

    i'm not the guy who's going to be renting games and copying them...that guys a criminal is taking money away from all of us! The games/DVD's they sell now are soo expensive because of people like them i hate those people...

    My need to backup is just in case my daughter gets into the games cabinet and the dvd's get scratched and wrecked! she's 16months now but in less then a year she'll probly be playing games like Wareware and cooking mama with me and then i can guarentee i'll have a few scrached games...this is why i'd like copies...if i only let her use the copies and i keep the originals in a safe place i never have to worry

    soo what i'm asking is legal and should be well within the rules of this or any other forum...

    Soo let me ask again...Does anyone know if there is anyway to backup your LEGALLY OWNED copies of games in case something happens to the originals
     
  6. KyleForMe

    KyleForMe Don't believe his lies.

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    Not to sound like an ass, but yes someone already answered your question. You do need a modchip. Now if your looking for the exact details of how to rip and burn wii games, I dont think thats within the rules of this forum. Try searching on google:yesnod:
    And if your looking for a reliable retailer for what your talking about, try Divineo.com I have purchased from them twice in the past and they are reputable. Plus they give decent descriptions of the products they sell, and would probably be willing to answer questions via email.
     
  7. Squall7

    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    Source:http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#download_rom
     
  8. Ridewithme38

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    double post sorry
     
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  9. Squall7

    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    I understand your predicament, but you're going against the rules of this forum.
    If you wish to ask, please find another way such as email.
     
  10. Ridewithme38

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    This is good information Squall...but it kind of makes my point better then yours...you just highlighted the wrong section..first off this is asking about roms and says its illegal to download and play roms from the internet...none of which i will be doing....

    Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

    There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

    Now let me Explain what "The Backup/archival copy exception" is
    This Exception States Exactly what this paragraph that your posted says it states...Copying/backing up a Game is ONLY legal if you are the rightful owner of the game and you are only doing so in the event that the original game may be damaged or destroyed...

    So in other words...according to what you posted what i want to do is completely legal
     
  11. Squall7

    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    You do not own the intellectual rights to the game, as you are not the author (unless you're doing homebrewing, in which case you are). Therefore what I posted still stands. Also,
    Is the reason why you're not allowed to ask for links to those sorts of things.
     
  12. wezeles

    wezeles Guru of everything Ninty

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    backup copies of your own software is not illegal... but with alot of the new copyright laws you must contact the person who owns the copyright to the information in order to make a copy of what you already purchased... so if you call up nintendo and they say its cool, go for it there are programs out that will let you copy... but depending on how its worded you do risk breaking the law if you copy information you own without permission first... when it comes to purchased information,games,movies,cd's they must give you the option to back it up or replace it if damaged... you are paying more or less for the information not the dvd or cd

    they are gonna give you probably one of two options... you can make a legall copy for only yourself,or they will replace it if damaged... really i would prefer if they replaced it so you get a copy of original software and not just some black disk you copy yourself... that way if you ever decide to trade or sell the game there will not be any questions about it... and when it comes to
    3rd party games you would need permission not only from nintendo but the people that license the product to nintendo...
     
  13. Ridewithme38

    Ridewithme38 WiiChat Member

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    Ok...That is what a copyright is...Since this thread is getting long I just want to ask a couple question that way us fighting back and forth will end

    Why is it ok to tape show off of the television or music off the Radio?
    Wouldn't the copyright rule hold in that case also?
     
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    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    Those are broadcasts. The difference between TV shows and games are that people buy individual intellectual properties from a retailer. TV shows are transmitted.

    Another example of different types of rights; If you look at the rental of DVD's, the rights to it are different and the rental copy is actually a lot more costly than a retail version.

    Also, your arguement negates the fact that one needs specific programs and such to rip off the information from the disk, and they in themselves are illegal.
     
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    wezeles Guru of everything Ninty

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    not always true.. just because you make a program that is made to make a copy of say a dvd, or game it is not up to you to get the rights to make the copy of the dvd or game.. its up to the person with that specific game or dvd.. thats why there are so many different dvd,game ripping programs all over.. its not there job to get the rights to copy that would be your own... this battle has been going back and forth in supreme court "i own it i should be able to copy it for my own use" "its my program they cant copy it without my permission they might sell it" the latest rulling forces the companys to give you access to a duplicate of the information you purchased... but it is up to the company who made that information to determin what they are willing to do be it let you make a copy or give you a copy when yours is damaged... eaither way you need permission from the person who owns that information... just give nintendo a call see what they say... if they wont let you copy it by law they have to supply you with a new copy if yours is damaged... this is just for the united states every country has there own rules for copyright laws... some none at all...
     
  16. Maleko

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    First off, you do NOT have to ask Nintendo's permission to make a PERSONAL back up of any IP (nintendo's or thrid party). In the US (and many other countries as the US' biggest export lately is laws) you have fair use laws. Those laws state (among other things) that you can make a personal back up copy and that you can "time shift" broadcasts. You do not need anyone's permission to do either of these two activities as you already have the force of law giving you those options.

    Secondly, unless your Nintendo game disc damage was caused by a manufacturing defect, or other reason that is caused BY NINTENDO, they are under no obligation to replace your broken game disc. Sure they may replace it for you when your cat, dog, brother, sister, son or daughter breaks it. But they do NOT have to.

    IP laws mimic (as close as possible) all other merchant laws. If you hit a tree, GM won't send you a new car, however if a manufacturing defect is found, they issue a recall and fix the issue for free. In IP law the media doesn't matter. Your not buying a polycarbonate disc with a layer of silver and ink, your buying rights to what data is contained on said disc. In most countries, these laws allow personal (that means ONLY for you, and you must destroy that copy if you sell or otherwise get rid of the original) archival copies. Manufacturers are under no obligation to assist you in making that back up, but thay also can not prevent you (legally) from doing so. Thats why you see so much DRM. They can lock up that data all they want on the media, but if you manage to find a way to remove the DRM and make a copy (again for archival purposes) they can not sue you for copyright infringment.

    Furthermore, if you are not profitting from the distribution of infringed IP, the only penalties are civil. If you notice, the RIAA and MPAA are directly suing file sharers, none of them are going to jail. None of them are up on criminal charges. They are being sued in civil court seeking damages related to the unlawfull (very different from illegal) distribution of Intellectual Property.

    Although Ridewithme38's question may not be allowed here due to forum policies, nothing she is asking is "illegal", immoral or even in a grey area. She is asking how to protect her property (the game media with the game data on it) that she purchased legally. And as a side note, that is a question we should all be asking seeing how many corporations are trying to reduce or eliminate rights that we have been given. If you don;t know your rights, how can you fight to keep them?
     
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    Ok who cares if its illegal first off. As you know you need a modchip which arn't that expensive. Yes you can back-up the games, but there is no software program to do it for you yet. The downloadable rips that you may have seen available for download took a great amount of time and effort to crack.
     
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    because in this forum you are not aloud to post about illgal hacks,crack etc.. they can get hit for the information you provide.. it ended up taking a turn when we got into the legallity of copying for personal use.

    the judgments lately have made this all kinda fishy because for the longest time you could always make copys of what you bought aslong as it was for yourself and noone else.. where lately because of so many bootleg rings they have been making this harder to do... judgements have gone eaither way on it but in the end the only part of the law that hasnt been changed is the fact that you have the right to have a copy... but read up on all the new postings for FBI copyright enforcement just to be sure... there are plenty of cases where people have been fined because they didnt get permission first to make a copy... heck there were churches in my town fined for displaying the super bowl without express permission...
     
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    I'll repeat this:
    Every time I load up a DVD it tells me it's illegal to evade the copyright protection. The only way I can take information from the disk is to do just that, ergo, it's illegal.
     
  20. Maleko

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    And every time you watch a sporting event on TV it tells you that it is illegal to describe the sporting event. Just because a producer of IP tells you it is illegal, doesn't mean it is. Listen to laws NOT corporations.

    Also, I can easily, legally copy a DVD without breaking the CSS encryption. Breaking the CSS encryption is illegal under the DMCA, copying the contents of a DVD (with CSS encryption intact) is perfectly legal, again as long as it is for your own personal archival purposes.

    I'll say this again (because people need to understand this) DO NOT LISTEN TO CORPORATIONS FOR LEGAL ADVICE, CONSULT THE LAWS (or better yet a IP attorney). Corporations can and will tell you what protects their interests, not yours.
     
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