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Discussion in 'Nintendo Wii Gaming' started by bruceleroy, Jun 1, 2009.
No controller. Demo looks good. Will it end Nintendo's popular console run?
If Microsoft plays its cards the right way then yes it will end Nintendo's popular console run.
Microsoft has so much potential with this, and honestly during the demo, interacting with Milo, my jaw was dropped through 90% of it, and when she scanned the paper with the drawing and Milo took it and looked at it in the game i almost **** myself.
sooooo much potential, i really hope Microsoft does some amazing things with this.
It could do, if this works the xbox will grab the family market which is the only thing nintendo has going for it. hmmmm we shall see i guess
It will have very little impact on Nintendo. Why? A couple reasons. For one, Wii had a new controller style right from the start, which means everyone already has one. With this, you've got something extra to buy, existing games won't work with it and there won't be a huge catalog of special games for it for a long time. And secondly, the Wii has the family-friendly image locked up. Half the people who own a Wii probably don't even know what Microsoft's console is even called. Your Wii-owning grandparents aren't going to get an Xbox 360 or PS3. The low-end Xbox 360 has been cheaper than a Wii for quite awhile now and still hasn't come close to touching the Wii's sales numbers.
Reasons why Project Natal could fail:
1. Parents would have to buy a new console, games, and accessories.
2. Most new casual Wii owners are now Nintendo fanboys.
3. It's too late for this generation cuz Nintendo won the casual market already.
4. Most Xbox fanboys are motion-control haters.
5. If this was implemented into a hardcore game, the game won't be out til 2011 and the new Wii HD will be out soon around then.
I don't think it will do anything to Nintendo this gen.
This device has not shipped yet and we are 4 years into the 360 dev cycle and 3 into the Wii cycle. Thus it's too late to make an install-base for this device.
I think this item will be a curiosity that gets left on the corner like Eye Toy and Microsofts current camera.
Remember all the BS Microsoft touted about live and users making content and selling things like Ebay. Remember Sony bragging up Home and how great it would be and how awesome installing Linux would be. It really never took off and they never implemented really any of those ideas pitched 4 years ago at an E3 near you.
The biggest reasons is that neither Sony nor Microsoft make Nintendo games. Nintendo makes Nintendo games. (Rare games are always cheap-feeling clones). Little Big Planet it cool...but even that never grabbed the people who like Ninty style games.
People have been preaching this "Virtual Reality" crap that Microsoft touted today since the Sega Master System. Even the Genesis had a virtual ring that could "detect motion etc.". It may happen next gen, but trust me no way is this gonna take off fast enough to make a difference to developers (they are risk adverse right now cause of the economy and small install-bases on PS3/360). For these things to be a success they have to be in the box day1 and devs have to have access to this for years.
If anything will kill Nintendo, it'll be themselves. Nobody else will "end them."
Nah. Because Xbox 360 doesn't compliment the demographics.
Agreed. This is pretty much the coolest advancement i have seen in gaming since the wii. MS needs to include this for free in their next gen console, it is such a huge advancement and they can do so much with this. This wont do much for this gen though, too many people already have consoles and only a small % buy 2. xbox has a lot of cool stuff now, if they had mario, zelda, etc, they would be the best in my book.
saw the 3 minute trailer
alll i can say is....
wow wow WOW
It's definitely not a Wii killer...In no way is Microsoft getting a big bite out of Nintendo's market.
but it does look interesting.
Interesting enough, Xbox360 fan base general hates this.
Personally, I don't think it will be a "Wii killer". It certainly looks amazing though, and has a lot of potential. However, I don't believe many developers will embrace it and develop promising and non-shovelware games for the peripheral.
Plus, if it were to succeed, MS would have a lot of catching up to do in terms of sales.
I saw a million possible glitches in it just watching the demo of it. We'll see though...
im sorry ,but i am not impressed by this.
How many "motion senstive" cameras are microsoft ,and sony( i know this isnt for playstation ,but they have the eyetoy) going to release before they just do some kind of motion controller?
I mean why exactly should people buy Natal when microsoft already has the Vision Cam which was suppose to have motion control (TotemBall--mind you it sucked)
Lets face it camera control for games is A) limited in types of games it can work in and B) has never really taken off because full body motion is not the most accurate thing to replicate with on screen characters.
Right there in itself shows this is barely denting the Wii market. The Wii controls (WHEN DONE PROPERLY) adds a level of depth, and emergsion(sp?) to pre-existing game types.
Where as with this camera being the only control input they are looking to have how would you play something like Gears of War. You couldn't ,but you could with a Wiimote ,and nunchuck combo.
Unless i see something really impressive for this new thing i doubt ill even buy it.
Yea, what I don't like about this camera is that you would have to scan yourself or whatever object in and then the game would have to adapt to whatever you are or are not holding for a controller. What is gonna control various button presses etc.? Snapping your fingers to shoot a bullet?
I guess they could have you play with it and a controller at the same time.
But with wii you have 3 controls. wii-mote, nunchuck, and depth with sensor-bar. So you already have trackable devices for both of your hands each with multiple buttons for more advanced moves. Besides the obvious awesome uses as guns, paint-brush(okami), sword(red steel2), fishing pole(zelda), you have more complex uses such as snapping someone's neck(Madworld).
Do you really think devs are going to be able to make tight controls when the variables are infinite if you don't already have controllers like with wii. Do you really think they can perceive every thing you might pick up in your house and every possible combination of jesture(to replace buttons) and get tight controls out of that? Microsoft's cam sucked. So did Sony's. Sony's motion controls were not nearly as advanced as the Wii's either.
I was much more impressed with the Red Steel 2 (15 minute) demo showed by Ubisoft today. And I hear they are packing M+ in with the game so it's looking really cool.
I wonder if Sony is gonna spring out there rumored motion controller this E3?
Well after looking deeply at what project natal really is I must say that it is interesting. However interesting isn't always good. What makes the Wii remote (and SIXAXIS for arguments sake) so intuitive is the fact that it is adaptable to game types and game genres that already exist. Therefore people will be willing to make use of it, they have the option to use as little, or as much of the motion control as possible. However to fully utilize natal, a developer would have to literally build a game fully based around motions of the body. This may work with virtual life games like the Milo tech demo. But when it comes to real gaming I doubt it will catch on, could you really see Cliffy B coming out saying Gears of War 3 is fully controlled by Natal!? Of course not.
And then there is the issue of how much will this thing cost. Judging from the tech demo it was doing some pretty high tech stuff: Motion sensing, depth perception, scanning real life objects, reading facial expressions, etc. Milo is a charming young lad, but I doubt anyone will pay $150 just to hand him a sheet of paper. Plus since they are just revealing this now, we probably won't see the first (good) Natal compatible games coming until late 2010 or early 2011. I think this is just a little bit too late for Microsoft.
I don't think this is going to kill the Wii. Nintendo already have this demographic in their pocket. With that said, I definitely think this is much cooler than and more revolutionary than Wii. Unfortunately, this technology is only relevant for exercise games. Gamers don't want to stand up and swing their bodies around to play a game, that would ruin the immersion.
Even so, I expect to see more impressive ideas than crap like Wii Play, Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Wii Sports Resort. Obviously games are going to have to be specifically tailored for this peripheral. They'll likely launch games with it just as Nintendo is bundling motionplus with Wii Sports Resort and Red Steel 2.
For all these xbox360/ps3 owners that hate the Wii:
"Wherever Microsoft and Sony trying to catch the Wii user base, they never can't catch them"
First the project Natal is a pantomime as the eye toy from Sony, has some potential as a new interface for the PC but not by a game console. I imagine how funny those stupids xbox360 owners look using stupid body gestures trying to play a game. HA HA HA
Second if Nintendo wants they can implement a camera for the Wii as Ubisoft already did with the fitness game "Your Shape", with all features the Natal offer, the voice recognition can be implemented using the WiiSpeak, the AI can be used with games specially programed to do this, the scanning peripherals too using the camera to scan objects. If you can see the Wii can do everything the Natal does. I want so much Nintendo releases a camera to beat Microsoft in every aspect, force the third parties to start making AAA games to catch the xbox360 hardcore base, launch the Manga channel to beat the Netfix service, contract a company that has huge experience in networks to built his online network infrastructure and beat the xbox-live service surpassing the 300.000 users that Microsoft plans to support in a MMO game. And finnaly launch the long waited Wii HD to beat the competency and gain the ABSOLUTE DOMINATION as the NES days. The Nintendo fans want these days coming with Nintendo reings as supreme company in both hardware and software sales.
I was really impressed by Natal, it offers a new level of interaction, even compared to the Wiimote.
The only downside I can see is that for anything other than boxing / driving / walking around games they're going to have fun getting strafing and shooting controls etc.
For a technology demo though it is amazing, and might make Nintendo feel slightly less complacent about the future.