Ive said this a few times and already had a short discussion about this in another topic. See this as the final showdown. Say what you think about the following: You want to see whos better. You or the opponent. Do you play final destination ( because than you can see who knows the buttons/attacks best ) or do you play random stage, items and perhaps even random character ( to see who knows the game best ) This is how I think about it. When going head to head with someone I dont think you can just pick final destination without items. Skill not only involves bashing the right buttons in time but also reacting to different situations ( heart container, hammer ) (Copied from another topic where I said the following ) Yes. If you want to see who is the best in smash-brosh you should play with items. Just like you dont go standing in front of each other counting down and start shooting at each other in an FPS. No ! In an fps it comes down who reacts to unknown situations the best AND has got the best aim. You dont play mario strikers with all power-ups off and no items 2 right? If the opponent gets a laser sword you will need to attack him different. If he gets the hammer you need to run ! If you only play that final showdown stage ( if thats the name ) with no items you eventualy figure out the opposing characters weaknes. Goodjob! You figured out 50% on how to win. Now you need to start learning how to win in changing enviroments. In a more out of context example to close it all off: Wars are won by soldiers who are trained to shoot, react to unknown situations and are prepared. So what do you guys think and why? I know theres a lot of you out there that keep saying: Final destination and no items, but I only hear that I suck and that my idea is not correct. So tell me why you play: Final destination, no items to test youre skill.