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Discussion in 'Pokemon' started by Koshi, Mar 20, 2013.
Pokemon Conquest. All said...
The spin-off games, bar Pokemon Ranger (Almia was decent though), are the only bad spin-offs. Conquest is actually pretty damn good.
That aside, Ruby and Sapphire. blehhhhhhhhhhhh hoenn
Pokepark is kinda bad
... Oh right, keep forgettin' 'bout them.
They don't count, they're that bad.
I agree with the 'Karp, Pokemon Ranger has to be the worst.
How does that make sense?
Creatures Inc. didn't even attempt t' make Pokepark a good game... there wasn't any need to, considerin' the target audience. That, and it ain't an RPG. Obviously they certainly are the worst Pokemon games, but they've a complete lack of anythin' that makes a Pokemon game good, 'sides the Pokemon themselves.
Never played Pokepark.
And now I never want to.
Though Splash_King Idk why you don't like hoen. I actually like that a lot. Other than its kinda different than the rest
The problem is the Hoenn games, not Hoenn itself. Game Freak did a lot of things wrong at the start of Gen 3 with Ruby 'n Sapphire.
Eh, I thought the Ranger games were at least decent. Still, I didn't like them enough to bother purchasing the third one.
I'd say Snap, some people I know really love that game, and I'll never understand why. I found it dull...it's fun for a while, but it gets old after a few hours. That's just me, though.
I can't comment on PokePark, since I don't know anything about it. Mystery Dungeon, Conquest, Colosseum and XD were all good, though not amazing. Revolution at least had acceptable online.
You know I speak truth. Even if dumb ol' Sableye 'n Sharpedo actually were of such high repute ya hold 'em in (they aren't :trollface, they cannot make RS any less shittier.
Many reasons. I'll start with minor ones; namely in regards t' game mechanics.
Multiple small features introduced in GSC were outright removed in RS, for no apparent reason. One'a the most often complained 'bout would be day-night cycles bein' removed. Apricorns 'n headbutting trees disappeared. These're the most minor of issues I have with RS; but issues none the less. There's no need t' remove such things. Also, the text looked bloody horrible.
Next, an issue many people have a problem with whether they know it or not: a complete lack of things t' do in the post-game. GS gave you good ol' Kanto t' explore once again. DP had the Fight Area 'n Stark Mountain, as well as small post-game things t' do all over. BW1 had half the continent still unexplored 'fore beating the Champion; which ya still actually have t' do. What did RS offer? ... Completing your dex. That's it. The "post-game" objective which has existed since RB. RS took away small things and added nothin' in return regarding actual content after the Champion was defeated. Utterly boring.
Speakin' of content, this is where everythin' in the Pokemon series becomes notorious as bein' rinse and repeat. Get badges, disband the generic bad guy team(s), become a Champion. RS' "story" was palpably copy and paste. The same could be said for DP, but at least the Galactic goons had some amusin' lines...
Now I'll whine over the 'mons themselves. Retired Pokefans have long since complained that new designs have been right-**** since Gen 3. That's a complete load'a nonsensical, biased bullshit, but said exaggerated opinion does have some legitimate roots. I've always felt that RB and GS had a very unique charm 'bout essentially every Poke's design, minus the usual suspects of Voltorb 'n friends. I felt that appeal almost-entirely vanished in RS. Even if the designs weren't **** (they certainly weren't), they lacked in somethin'. I can't put it into words in all honesty, but whatever it is, it's a problem. Furthermore, I don't feel the same for DP and 'specially not BW's pocket monsters. Gen 4 reversed whatever terrible thing Gen 3 might've done, whereas I felt BW's new Pokemon had taken yet another step in the right direction regardin' successful designs.
Finally, quite possibly the biggest problem of all: RS was simply a disappointment. It took things away from GS, no longer had the charm the retro PokeRPGs had both in gameplay and 'mon design, was lacking in content compared to the past generation, and the only new thing brought to the table was sporadically encountered Double Battles, Abilities, and the start of minigame trends in the mainstay games (i.e. contests, musicals, etc.). The latter most addition isn't worth much merit. The former two enhance the depth of battling, but there's no difficulty in-game for that t' make things more enjoyable.
That's the bottom line. Lacking in ingenuity, content, and possibly even the love Generations 1 'n 2 received during development, RS is a failure. Bad games? No. Bad in comparison to the other RPGs within the main series? Damn right. 'Specially GS. RS just couldn't stand stand up to the Pokegames that preceded it. Perhaps if Hoenn was Gold and Silver whereas the brilliance of Johto 'n Kanto in one game was the third Generation, my opinion would be different... but sadly that ain't the case.
It seems to me that, aside from the minor things that were taken out, and the lack of post game material, RSE just didn't appeal to your personal tastes. Yeah, the formula didn't change that much, but that's a problem among the entire main series. And your lack of argument for the designs being worse makes me think that, once again, it's just taste. I find the RSE designs to have more charm then any other generation.
Quite. RS not only doesn't pertain t' my tastes, but they're also downright poor. It's the reason why I hate Generation 3 rather than simply dislike it.
Don't get how a few problems makes it so poor in your opinion. Dislike it if you must, but I really don't see how it's at all deserving of hate.
Because clearly that wall'a text, which ain't the half of it, describes only a small amount'a meager problems.
I've stated my opinion, so back yours. Show me ya [STRIKE]moves![/STRIKE] counterargument. What's so great 'bout RS?
I can't defend them being the best main series Pokemon games (...well, they have my favorite region and Pokemon, at least), but I just don't see how your logic justifies calling them a failure. Sure, they removed a few minor things. Sure, there was a lack of post game stuff. Besides that, you don't really say anything, aside from your personal dislike of the Pokemon. Yeah, they weren't a revolution to the Pokemon series. But how were DPP any better? There was the physical/special split, which was awesome, but that's about it. The online doesn't count, because that was a limitation the GameBoy had that the DS didn't.
What are your other reasons for hating on RSE? Because the way I see it, you're being way too harsh with little reasoning. Here's the positives and negatives I see in the games.
Positives (In my opinion):
-Indroduced new villainous teams
-Introduced the Battle Frontier
-Secret Bases (actually good ones, unlike Sinnoh. Consider them a minor detail if you will, I loved them >.>)
-Lack of post game material
-The day/night system was removed
-Lack of formula change (this doesn't defend your argument at all, since you're trying to defend Gen IV and V to an extent)
-Trouble getting some past gen Pokemon (I didn't mind, myself)
I've moaned over the mess that is RS so many times that I honestly can't give enough of a **** t' dig further into what causes my disdain for Gen 3... so I'll go out on the note of bias, 'cause that's clearly what all master debaters do. The last thing I'll say is that Gen 3 didn't feel right t' me. Plain 'n simple. Outside of my personal gripes, this is the real reason for my utter disregard for RS. I simply did not enjoy the games, for whatever reason(s) I can't explain via proper strings of meaningful words. Did my arguments have somethin' to do with it? Likely a good deal, yes. But somethin' 'bout Gen 3 just wasn't right. It felt like it was unpolished. Rushed. Lazy. Stale. No other mainstay Pokemon game I've played ever felt like that. Not even the spin-offs inspired such abysmal opinions 'n thoughts... and Guardian Signs was unbearably copypasta.
There's a reason why so many people left the series with RS... and I can assure you that only half of it was everyone growin' up.
Hmm. It's hard to pinpoint what people thought of it. I know some genwunners that think Gen III was the last great generation, and some that rank it as high as Gen I and II. Yet others just didn't care for it. I'm obviously in the Gen III supporting group....it feels like the borderline generation.