PS3 sucks, now tell me why not to think so.

[imae]

... i think it's unfair to say that if you were to mention mario to people, they'd be able to identify him as a character but not be able to tell you what games he represents; if this is true, how then are they able to identify mario?

I agrree. for any strong icon / character to be as recognizable as mario they need a strong association with something. Mario is associated with arguably the best series of platforming games made and i think most people will say something along the lines of "jumping around and hitting blocks" whene asked about the games themselves. and imho without the consitantly strong quality of games mario has featured in the character would gradually fade away.

The franchise is based off the character, nothing more.

Mario may be an initial selling point for nintendo for his familiarity, but without the quality of the games themselves .. well he'd be in alot of trouble. IMO the quality of the games has kept the character strong.. not the other way around.

 

[dodabird]

thanks. finally, a different contributor to this debate. frankly, i'm getting a little tired. i'm writing this paper for my poetry class, and as soon as it's done, my ass is going to sleep (12:30 in the morning on guam!). but thanks for your approval; hopefully, i can get through to some other people :wink:

 

[MasterJedi2U]

Don't sweat it dodabird. Everyone in here knows shift likes arguing just for the sake of arguing. The point is that yes Mario is an icon. But hes not the only fact in what makes those games so popular.

 

[hotpotato78]

Shift not to get on your case but i just have a question for you. So when it comes to Mircosoft, you think they should let go of halo character because they same character is being used over and over again? Eventually they would have to take a different route in the halo franchise

To me nintendo franchise games are based on One character sequels. everyone can agree that Link,Mario, and Samus as been seen from SNES days. But those games still are fun though. Final fantasy is a game i love and you are right, it does not base itself on a character icon because the game is more about the visuals,gameplay and storyline. But what you must realise is that those games are different from mario.(epecially GTA) Gta is based on real life just like true crimes, so there is no need to keep using on character because the character is not important as mario because mario is more of a hero like superman "mario save me". But in many ways i agree with you and in many wany ways i do disagree with you. i will read the rest of your post after i post this....

Usually adventure games do focus on one character though...and FF is a stradegy role play game and Gta is a shooting role playing game..... But mario was a hit for nintendo when he first hit the blocks so that's why he will always be around. After a while they will bring an end to mario. The zelda franchise can always take a turn away from link, and metroid can always take a turn from samus but mario can not take a turn because the game is named after him.

 

[Shiftfallout]

Originally Posted by dodabird
... i think it's unfair to say that if you were to mention mario to people, they'd be able to identify him as a character but not be able to tell you what games he represents; if this is true, how then are they able to identify mario?

I agrree. for any strong icon / character to be as recognizable as mario they need a strong association with something. Mario is associated with arguably the best series of platforming games made and i think most people will say something along the lines of "jumping around and hitting blocks" whene asked about the games themselves. and imho without the consitantly strong quality of games mario has featured in the character would gradually fade away.

Mario may be an initial selling point for nintendo for his familiarity, but without the quality of the games themselves .. well he'd be in alot of trouble. IMO the standard the games have been to have kept the character strong.. not the other way around.

Rather, Mario as the icon is due to him being used in... NON-Game related products. Meaning, His icon, his character has been put on the market in every possible form. The games themselves are no longer the focus, and it becomes less so as time goes on. Anyone remember the movie "wizard" which showed off nintendo products? How about the cartoons marketed towards children, or the live action stuff, or the mario food products, or the pajamas, or the shampoo... mario as an icon, not a game. Thats what its become. He is an icon, an icon that represents Video gaming in general. Unfortunately, you cant have a mario product with out the star. Mario is the reason people like the games, I dont think its the games themselves. Im not saying all the games are bad, but they are not as amazing as you make them out to be. Its mario, he is the high lander, there can be only one. As such, since the 80s, he has went from being known as "jumpman" to "mario" in donky kong jr. Remember it all started in the arcades of ages past.

To name a few:
Mario Glasses Case
Mario Game Keychain
Mario Movie stuff
Mario Japanese Figures
Mario Phone Cards
Mario Ties
Mario Cars
Mario Beanie Babies
Mario Watches
Mario Hat
Mario Cups
Mario Christmas Ornaments
Mario Plush Dolls
Mario Shirts
Mario Walkie Talkie
Mario Stamp Sheet
Mario Trophies
Mario Pin
Mario Clock
Mario Remote Control Kart
Mario Boxers
Mario Golf Balls
Mario Legos
Mario Wall Paper
Mario Camera
Mario Towel
Mario Ceiling Fan
Mario Board Game.
Mario Clip-ons
Mario Alarm Clock
Mario Calculator
Mario Cups
Mario Stickers
Mario Pogs
Mario Valentines
Mario Sing-a-long Radio
Mario Placemat
Mario Anime Comic
Mario Kart Plush Toys
Mario Suspenders
Mario Trash Can
Mario Lunch Box: The sequel
Mario Pillow Case
Mario Curtains
Mario Cereal
Mario Copter
Mario Keychains
Mario Gumball Dispenser
Mario Action Figures (from Mcdonalds)
Mario Karaoke Machine
Mario Sponge
Super Mario soundtracks
Mario Telephone
Mario Lunch Box
Mario Cookie Jars
Mario Chair
Mario Soda
Mario Mask
Mario Pez dispenser
Mario mini-pinball
Mario Action Figures (from Toy Biz)
Mario Shower head
Mario Wallet
Mario TV Tray
Mario Cookie Cutters
Mario Water Squirter
Mario Sleeping Bag
Mario Marionette
Mario Ice Cream Bar
Mario Shampoo
Mario Toys (Wendy's)
Mario Bookmark
Mario Kart Phone
Japanese Keychains/Mobile Strap
2006 Mario Toys (McDonald's)
http://www.smbhq.com/media.htm

Mario is know as an icon, a product. Again, his popularity does not rely on any games other than what started it all.

 

[hotpotato78]

shift i'm suprise nobody hit on you for something you said earlier lmao. It's not Maluigi, it's Waluigi lmao. How could you get that wrong since you suppose to know about the game MARIO. but hey there are different type of games, whether the its based on one character who can have a legacy with that system or it's based on a random character who does not stick around for long. But megaman is based on megaman only and still we love it. Devil may cry is also based on one character. Fact remains is that Everyconsole will have their band wangon they ride and they will have bandwagoners, Some will stay and some will go. There's no need to agrue over this

 

[Shiftfallout]

shift i'm suprise nobody hit on you for something you said earlier lmao. It's not Maluigi, it's Waluigi lmao. How could you get that wrong since you suppose to know about the game MARIO

Merely a typo. Mal tends to mean bad. And since Waluigi is bad, my head automatically made me type it with an M to make Mal. "As in English, the Spanish prefix 'mal-' is used to indicate that something is bad, abnormal or otherwise not right."

I get focused on what I type, sometimes typing really fast, that my head takes images and thoughts and trys to put them into words, thus i have some really wierd but logical typos sometimes. lol

Some will stay and some will go. There's no need to agrue over this

agreed.

 

[hotpotato78]

I hear you shift lol. But i thought i was seeing things when i saw maluigi.

right now i would like to see nintendo continue the jet force gemini franchise. I think nintendo should let square enix make a remake of FF7 and FF8 for the wii. I would like to see what these games could really be like with higher graphics.

 

[Shiftfallout]

I hear you shift lol. But i thought i was seeing things when i saw maluigi.

right now i would like to see nintendo continue the jet force gemini franchise. I think nintendo should let square enix make a remake of FF7 and FF8 for the wii. I would like to see what these games could really be like with higher graphics.

Gotcha, If I were nintendo, I would put a bigger focus on making a few first party game franchises aimed at older mature audiences. Thats what they are solely lacking, as well as a type of game for every genre. I do like when they let Squaresoft make Mario RPG back then, too bad they turned it into paper mario though. The problem i think nintendo faces is their own innovation somtimes, if it aint broke dont fix it, does not register with them a lot of the time. This can be seen in a lot of the style that their games show. They tend to be fairly inconsistant with some things, which is good when the product can be better, but bad when they finally hit on something good they dont hold onto it and try something different looking again.

 

[hotpotato78]

BUt hey shift nintnendo is breaking out of that shell right now..... I hope you aren't looking for nintendo to attract adult sony lovers because most of them won't give nintendo a try.... but yeah nintendo is focusing more on adult games though. Plenty of special titles are being made just for the wii so who knows...... But i feel as if nintendo has the better use of game genre and age groups.

They should do a huge 3d contra and create a co op mode.... Contra was the best mannn. and another 3d megaman.

 

[Shiftfallout]

I hope you aren't looking for nintendo to attract adult sony lovers because most of them won't give nintendo a try....

True gamers dont go where the brands are, but the games. If good games that appeal to them appear, the gamers will follow. The only ones left are fanboys.

Oh speaking of 3D megaman, i wish they would rerelease an updated version of Megaman legends for the Wii. That could be a lot of fun. I loved it on the PS1, but with the wiimote i think you could do a lot of amazing things with that series.

 

[imae]

Mario is know as an icon, a product. Again, his popularity does not rely on any games other than what started it all.

lets say if after Mario Bros no more mario games where released, they would probably have released merchandise for up to the early 90's. I find it hard to understand how merchandise can continue to be sold without the release of more games. mario 64 for example played a huge part in getting more attention on the games industry (just like mario bros did) and therefore more attention on the mario character.

a more recent popular mario based toy is the mario karts.. based on super mario kart, updated versions were released with both mario kart 64 and mario kart double dash. most of these toys will be bought by/for kids that recognize the character in the mario kart game.

I understand mario is a huge icon for nintendo out of the games themselves, but isnt he also a huge icon within the industry still, are you forgetting the buzz around mario 64's release - and this wasnt just due to the character in the game, and mario karts huge popularity spawned many clones, again largely due to the games non-character based content. You're right that nintendo use mario to bring attention to there games - mario strikers, mario tennis, mario golf etc and it works ...people buy into the icon image. but im going to stand by my statement that without consistantly good quality games to be featured in the character would just fade away.

if mario didnt feature in all these games they might have sold alot less but they would have still been good games. the only mario products which are consistantly popular are the games.

 

[Robertking1123]

To me nintendo franchise games are based on One character sequels. everyone can agree that Link,Mario, and Samus as been seen from SNES days. But those games still are fun though. Final fantasy is a game i love and you are right, it does not base itself on a character icon because the game is more about the visuals,gameplay and storyline.

i seen em on the first nintendo. also final fantasy started on the nes

 

[hotpotato78]

I know they was on the first nintendo but samus wasnt the first character. it was a male and then he dies. So that is why i didnt use it from the NES view...

OH and shift. i feel like hardcore gamers should be able to play any genre of game without b*tching all the time about kiddie business. alot of the sony gamers won't which, it would take alot of work with nintendo focusing on the adult age group when nintendo is trying to attract all age groups

 

[Robertking1123]

I know they was on the first nintendo but samus wasnt the first character. it was a male and then he dies. So that is why i didnt use it from the NES view...

OH and shift. i feel like hardcore gamers should be able to play any genre of game without b*tching all the time about kiddie business. alot of the sony gamers won't which, it would take alot of work with nintendo focusing on the adult age group when nintendo is trying to attract all age groups

WHAT!!!!!!! samus was on the first and all metroid games. even when you beat the game you see her in a bathing suit.:nono: metriod 2 was on the gameboy:frown2: