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Discussion in 'Nintendo Wii Chat' started by CantGetAWii, Feb 6, 2008.
I love all these articles you find!
This one is pretty interesting, seeing that the 360's weakness is hardware, which is what the PS3 is strong at. Yet, the PS3's weakness is software, which is what 360 is strong at.
Either they should work together or find some way to improve on those weaknesses.
i dont think they can. they would have done so already.
microsoft is with toshiba on hd-dvd and sony with blu-ray. they are enemies.
microsft offered sony the option to use their new vc-1 codec for movies but sony was too greedy i guess and said no which is what might have made ms more on toshibas side.
this hidef format war is already a year and a half old if microsft had the power they would have ended this already.
Whether it's a Nintendo fanboy, Microsoft fanboy, or a Sony fanboy writing the article, they always seem to have one thing in common at the end: the article ends up being absolutely friggin' high-larious :lol:
Good article right after my own personal view of gaming right now...
Although I also think Sony/Microsoft combo in gaming would be a power house anyone would have trouble with its not going to be anything quick comming... You can see that by the history of Sony always wanting full rights and exclusivity on things just like betamax/mini disk/blu-ray although they are sharing blu-ray more this round then they have other techs they like to be the ones getting all the money usually meaning they fail in there efforts or just bump us up to the next level. There "new" products alot of times are looked at as the techies choice over the realistic choice.
Microsoft although very strong in gaming i dont think is in it to win it.. They much like Sony use this as a addvertising base to future and current customers of microsoft as a whole, and the companys themself are just far too large to really need to drop out of gaming unless the gaming devision itself becomes such a big loss on the overall buisness that they are willing to drop it..
If it went eaither way i think it would be that one tosses in the towel and says "I'm done with gaming Its just not making me money" in the end, it wouldn't be the two massive companys joining together on such a small aspect of there overall sales and buisness...
If anything we need another large company(s) dedicated to gaming only like Nintendo to come in and buy them out and take over from a pure gaming fun point of view, not just as a dedicated add campaign to there current tech suave customers... The best things always came from the pure game companys like SEGA/Nintendo/Atari...
Sony and Microsoft have added little to gaming in reality except for a great console itself for the dedicated game publishing companys like EA,Capcom,Activision,Square-Enix to bring games onto...
Sure they have been a few great games pop up like Halo and God of War, but these types of games could have been made and probably more of them would have been made by a more dedicated Console company like SEGA back in the day...
The Wii is a whole 'nother paradigm. It's really not direct competition for the PS3 or XBox. Effectively, Microsoft and Sony have a duopoly in the high-end high-def traditional console space. For them to join forces and produce just one joint console would be a suicide move... without competition, the console would stagnate, innovation would slow, prices would stay high and their target market of consumers would suffer as a result... without touching the Wii.
Understand this: The Wii isn't successful because it's better competition to the PS/XBox. The Wii is successful because it opened up a whole different consumer base untapped by the others: the value-conscious low-tech casual gamer. The market for the PS3/Xbox 360 is the high-end high-tech cost-be-damned market.
If you're a PlayStation or XBox fan, the last thing you want is for them to merge console divisions.
Honestly, it comes from what perspective that you happen to be at the time. Some could argue that both software and hardware are the Wii's weak points, but those factors are trumped by it's low price. Some could support their argument, by comparing the software sales of all three major console competitors, and showing that the Wii sells - on average - significantly less than the other two. You could even take it a step further, and show that almost all Wii games are $49.99 or less, where as the other two average $59.99 (while still selling more games)
Obviously if you don't have a ton of extra cash to spend, you'll feel that spending $400 on a console and $60+ on a game (+possibly an online sub) is a complete ripoff, but you really can't look at it that way if you truly like videogames. I look at the other forms of entertainment - movies, music, tv - and the most respected pieces aren't those that sold the most, but those that have something else to them. A complex story; interesting, in-depth characters; plot twists; uncertain personalities. Disney uses the simple, easily accessible model to great success, but at the same time they aren't penning any masterful works of literature.
I like the Wii, but when I read articles like this that emphasize words like, simple, easy, etc., I can't help but frown. I don't see this as helping push the industry forward at all; I see it hurting it in the long run. I really hope the trend of cheaper is better doesn't continue, or we may see something similar to what happened to the industry in the early 80's.
Nintendo pretty much singlehandedly brought the industry out of the crash, so I hope they don't turn around and - unwittingly - throw us back into another. In all honesty though, it more than likely won't happen, since the industry is a lot bigger than it once was... but you never know.
Thats actually quite interesting. The guy's right, the two companies fit together like a puzzle piece. I had never thought of putting our [nearly inevitable] recession into the equation...
Misleading title. I'm pretty sure you meant they should buy Playstation, not Sony :wink:
True but Gaming as a whole hasn't been doing very well since the SNES days and SEGA Genesis when it was widely accepted in the homes by parents and children alike...
I think the last gens kinda opened up everyones eyes with the sales of PS2 and popularity overall it was a nice boost.
We got away from the "games are evil" aspect of the 90's and people accepted and started to use the rating system for gaming. Problem is you still wern't speaking to as large of an audience as once before. We now created an elite group of gamers the "hardcore" and it pretty much exiled the casual gamer. You eaither had to jump into gaming head first ready to go or you were disapointed at every turn.
With the Wii it does give you a very family friendly feel almost too much, more so than ever with Nintendo in the past.
Its a good thing though opening the market back up instead of it being passed on from one older brother down to his younger brother. The market is now flooded with everyone. Problem is they can't just turn there backs on the "hardcore" for sales sake, because then all it is is a hype system, a spur of the moment and none of the current casusal gamers will move much further and might even loose intrest by next gen.
Hopefully all the interviews of the Nintendo CEO's stay true, and that they will support 3rd party better aswell as the "hardcore" and they leave it a huge open market appealing to everyone casual all the way up to ranks of hardcore and everything inbetween.
Hopefully Sony and MS even follow suit and the world of gaming just blows up not limiting anyone from joining in. Thats what would be best for everyone.
The crash only happend because they didnt limit anything in gaming durring its birth and everyone joined in to gain a buck even if it ment a quick cut and run job. With are standards and new laws in place i doubt anythign like the crash could happen again. Video games are viewed more like Movies the more money and time you put into them aswell as advertisment.. The more money you get out of them... If you toss something cheep or cheep out in any area your going to loose profits.
Interesting article with some predictions from that guy that are only theories.
I would never want any gaming company to merge. Merging means one less console for competition. Competition is a good thing, it brings the best out of people because everyone wants to be number 1. Nintendo has gone into a different direction and since its sales are up I dont see them changing that. So Sony + Microsoft are the only two really competiting since those are the most similiar and have the same type of consumer following.
Though they make Microsoft seem like they could be going downhill its somewhat untrue. Despite Microsoft's estimate in repairs being around 1 billion, in a recent article they're actually making a profit in the gaming division, so I don't see them going downhill with how well they are doing.
Also he says PS3/Xbox are becoming the same as PC's. But I don't see how that is bad. They have a certain technology built into a console and game devs make software depending on what it is. Unlike PC games that do not follow a certain system requirement, so people are forced to update their PC's non stop. Then there's the fact that a gaming PC costs 3 times as much as a gaming console.
So if a console is just a cheap PC, who cares? Its CHEAP compared to a PC and you don't have to upgrade anything until a new console is released.
^Of course competition is good for the consumer. However, you must keep in mind that the wii is hardly competing with the other two consoles because of its diversity. If they were to merge, they would probably think of something to combat the wii's uniqueness directly, and then the real competition would start.
Wow. What a ridiculously waste of time article. Why even pontificate over stupid ideas that will never happen? I want my thirty seconds back.
Yea, I know. I said Nintendo isnt directly in competition with Sony/Microsoft because its gone in a different direction. Thats why I have never looked at it as 360 vs Wii or PS3 vs Wii. I always looked at it as 360+Wii vs PS3+Wii.
Also I really dont want Microsoft/Sony competing with Nintendo because I dont want two consoles that are using motion controls/casual games. My Nintendo is for those types of games, then PS3/360 can battle out for my hardcore style of gaming. If a console wants to compete with Nintendo I would rather SEGA come back and compete vs them, or maybe Apple could release a console
Ms does not need SONY unless they will use it as a trojan horse in japan. Yet that would easily back fire since every thing is so transparent in this industry. I mean really the xbox 360 is better hardware than the PS3 even if it does break a lot...LOL Hey but as of right now they are only hurting each other. They are going in the same direction yet choose not to unify against nintendo. The Cell could have easily been 4 cores and designed more for gaming. I mean IBM basically made the chip they also made the 360's cpu. If the HD boxes had a unified CPU or standard for the CPU and architecture then things would work a lot better. So far I only see these two boxes hurting each other. I mean when you put the PS3 and xbox 360 sales together you have a winning platform. Yet they are going in two different directions.
I mean look at the Wii and the DS they are totally helping each other. This is not the case for any other two systems. If you have a xbox and 360 then you just bought a really nice PC.
Hey nice read though... I saw this over at some other site and though OK. That what the PC is right now. Oh well.....
^Dude, you don't know what you're talking about xD
I realize this is just fantasy speculation, but the business case for this pretty much doesn't exist. If you wanted to take life, just foward that to the accounting department over in Redmond, and they'll laugh themselves to death. With a $1B deficit from a charge-back against 360 failures, the last thing MS wants is anything to do with Sony's hemmorging hardware entertainment division and to dilute themselves with a CE company.
Conceptually, I groove on a few things the author is suggesting though.
I don't really see how they could be hurting each other, thats absurd thinking
Just wait until PS3 sells more, right now its selling bad because its price. Blu-ray is still pretty new so the technology is still expensive. Once it becomes more of the norm, the price will drop more and people will buy it.
360, are still selling out despite what people may say. I just went into a gamestop right next to a Wal-mart where 2 guys were trying to buy a 360. The guy said it was sold out and Wal-mart didn't have any either. They started calling other GS stores and they also didn't have it.
Wii and DS "help" each other because its both Nintendo. Have you forgotten PSP? Despite DS selling so many millions, PSP is still doing decent. Obviously its not doing that great compared to DS, but this is Sony's first real portable system (that I know of) and its still doing pretty decent.
Also saying Xbox 360 is just a nice PC, obviously a cheaper PC that doesn't have as much features... But why is that a bad thing? Hell, Gamecube was just a cheap PC that couldnt play DVDs, Music, Photos, Videos, or even Online. Wii comes out with motion controls and suddenly having DVD playability, music, photos, videos, downloads, great online, etc. is nothing more than a "cheap PC" Is that not a good thing? The way things are going, in the future im not gonna have to buy another PC and just buy an Xbox instead and ill be set.
stupid article. i stopped after i read the thread title. its impossible for microsoft to buy sony, its not even an option or something that should be thought of.
:lol: *hugs you* I love you man. This is a pretty stupid article, interesting perspective one could say but they're both giants and it wouldn't much benefit anyone.
I love how the first line on the second paragraph practically creates irrelevancies towards the whole article (or at least the title). Might I also add, this article has horrible grammar.
Dude how come?