PS3 sucks, now tell me why not to think so.

[Shiftfallout]

and why are the graphics the same as the xbox but the xbox plays dvd's still. the ps3 plays blu ray disk that means more content but what content is that? i wanted to know about that. i mean does that mean the games that xbox is taking from playstation will have to lose content that was originally for the ps3? enlighten me.

You are completely illogical.

Are you serious? You really dont know what more space brings to the gaming industry? As someone who has WORKED in the game industry, talked to numerous game developers and producers I can tell you right now, they LOVE more space.

Switching CDs is a thing of the past, it doesnt really work on the new gen of games coming out soon. Lets take a look at one of the most popular genres of gaming, the MMORPG. Vanguard, the latest MMO takes up to 17 gigabites, its one large continuous world with no instances. You cannot stop the game and switch discs, nor should you have to. If you can pile this on one Blueray disc, then your set.

Sony doesnt care about holding onto thier exclusives that much because they know the natural order of things. That being, the higher medium will have the lastest current gen games. PCs are the most advanced gaming system on the market. Most of the PC games out require installing, not playing directly from a disc, and most console gamers would love to be able to play the advanced games coming out for PCs. This is possible with blueray. I feel like im taking crazy pills... cant you people know that more space offers bigger and better games? How can you be so short sighted in this. I just dont get it.

PS do you even read what you type? its completely illogical. Ill quote you "i mean does that mean the games that xbox is taking from playstation will have to lose content that was originally for the ps3?". are you seriously that short sighted? lol

It means game developers are limited based on the systems they make their games for. Therefor, the lowest system will limit the games potential if they make it multiplatform. Take a look at Oblivion for example, it comes out on the xbox 360, the ps3 and the PC. The xbox 360 is limited to a small number of buttons and uses very basic controls. The PC version of the game was limited because of the xbox 360. The PC game version only has around 5-6 hotkeys, its save files cannot be named, the gameplay became very basic. Why, because they made it as a multiplatorm game. The Game will always be limited by the most limited system. IF the game were to become an exclusive, the game would be able to utilize the features of one system to its full potential.

Use your head.

 

[Shiftfallout]

Well, lately a new 32' TV would be smaller then the 12'

you and I both know that your statement is completely false. Plasma tvs come in all sizes, they are thin and useful. Same goes of LCD. If big is bad, then the 32 inch flatscreen that has to be fit to your wall is somehow worse than the small handheld 12 laptop screen like tv that sits on a small lil stand. a 32' tv will not be smaller than a 12'. Saying otherwise is really really really dumb.

Take a look at your local electronics store and you will know you purposefully made an untrue statement. Quite illogical.

And tho i dont agree with your quoted persons aspects on that Ps3 has completely ditched gameplay for graphics. I DO believe that they have a much higher focus on it then gameplay. And the only good thing i really see about bluray is you need less Disks. Which has never bothered me if its 1 or 5, really now - if that bothers anyone they are just lazy.. its not like you switch them often.

According to the Game Developers Con 07, their main focus is actually on community and interactivity. Not once did the mention anything trying to support their graphics durning their keynote speach, it was focused on the functionality of the system and what they term Game 3.0.

Again, unless you want to start installing files onto the consoles hardrive, the less discs mean the games with no instancing or multiplayer can be done. Think, changing a disk during a multiplayer game is not acceptable in this day and age. Consoles are becoming online gaming systems nowadays and its the future of gaming.

 

[Sovieto]

id just like to say

JUST BECAUSE NINTY CAME OUT WITH THE WII REMOTE DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY OTHER CONSOLES ARE ALL GRAPHICS AND NO GAMELPAY
you no darn well that if the wii had a regular controller youd be like: yay zomg!!

 

[Squall7]

As someone who has WORKED in the game industry, talked to numerous game developers and producers I can tell you right now, they LOVE more space.

What did you do? Also, I noticed you said you worked in the film industry on another thread. What did you do there too?

Switching CDs is a thing of the past, it doesnt really work on the new gen of games coming out soon.

Switching Disks only works if all of the game data can be stored on a single DVD/CD (so all the gameplay mechanics, engine, script etc...). It's only used when the movie files are too big to stick on also. Of course, I think it's still possible to do it, even if it can be considered "undesirable" to do so.

Sony doesnt care about holding onto thier exclusives that much because they know the natural order of things. That being, the higher medium will have the lastest current gen games. PCs are the most advanced gaming system on the market. Most of the PC games out require installing, not playing directly from a disc, and most console gamers would love to be able to play the advanced games coming out for PCs. This is possible with blueray. I feel like im taking crazy pills... cant you people know that more space offers bigger and better games? How can you be so short sighted in this. I just dont get it.

I'm not quite sure I'm following you. Are you saying that developers will eventually and naturally go to the PS3 once they hit the ceiling of the competitors and their limitations? Or that Sony will have a hand in every game because it has the least problems when it comes to power?

It means game developers are limited based on the systems they make their games for. Therefor, the lowest system will limit the games potential if they make it multiplatform. Take a look at Oblivion for example, it comes out on the xbox 360, the ps3 and the PC. The xbox 360 is limited to a small number of buttons and uses very basic controls. The PC version of the game was limited because of the xbox 360. The PC game version only has around 5-6 hotkeys, its save files cannot be named, the gameplay became very basic. Why, because they made it as a multiplatorm game. The Game will always be limited by the most limited system. IF the game were to become an exclusive, the game would be able to utilize the features of one system to its full potential.

That's not neccessarily true in this gen so far. Some of the games have been downgraded and ported to the Wii. Marvel Ultimate Alliance is an example of this. It's also allowed for an extended lifespan of the PS2, as we see things like Tony Hawks Downhill Jam get ported to that also.

 

[Robertking1123]

You are completely illogical.

Are you serious? You really dont know what more space brings to the gaming industry? As someone who has WORKED in the game industry, talked to numerous game developers and producers I can tell you right now, they LOVE more space.

Switching CDs is a thing of the past, it doesnt really work on the new gen of games coming out soon. Lets take a look at one of the most popular genres of gaming, the MMORPG. Vanguard, the latest MMO takes up to 17 gigabites, its one large continuous world with no instances. You cannot stop the game and switch discs, nor should you have to. If you can pile this on one Blueray disc, then your set.

Sony doesnt care about holding onto thier exclusives that much because they know the natural order of things. That being, the higher medium will have the lastest current gen games. PCs are the most advanced gaming system on the market. Most of the PC games out require installing, not playing directly from a disc, and most console gamers would love to be able to play the advanced games coming out for PCs. This is possible with blueray. I feel like im taking crazy pills... cant you people know that more space offers bigger and better games? How can you be so short sighted in this. I just dont get it.

PS do you even read what you type? its completely illogical. Ill quote you "i mean does that mean the games that xbox is taking from playstation will have to lose content that was originally for the ps3?". are you seriously that short sighted? lol

It means game developers are limited based on the systems they make their games for. Therefor, the lowest system will limit the games potential if they make it multiplatform. Take a look at Oblivion for example, it comes out on the xbox 360, the ps3 and the PC. The xbox 360 is limited to a small number of buttons and uses very basic controls. The PC version of the game was limited because of the xbox 360. The PC game version only has around 5-6 hotkeys, its save files cannot be named, the gameplay became very basic. Why, because they made it as a multiplatorm game. The Game will always be limited by the most limited system. IF the game were to become an exclusive, the game would be able to utilize the features of one system to its full potential.

Use your head.

ok spock since you like to use illogical so much.
now who is butchering a post? where did i say this was true? it was a question. i dont work in the indusrty and i dont claim to know everything about games. i just like to play them. thats why i wanted to know. plus not all games are multi platform. like grand theft auto that was just a ps2 game at the time now that it is on the xbox 360 does it look better is there more content? thats what i was asking. i wanted to know if the ps3 has better and higher (price) technology then, why do the games look damn near alike that are multi platform.

also i didnt say i dont know about what more space would do. i said its not really needed. i dont mind switching disk. (ie the valkery profile reference)
i guess you didnt catch that cause you where too busy being "smart". i was repliying to someone else's post that was sayin that "not wanting to switch disk is just lazy. its not like you do it often." i was

then i was asking about games that where suppose to be for ps3 only are going to the xbox. so would that mean that all that content for the ps3 would be changed to fit the xbox 360 disk since its just a dvd.
you say use your head. why dont you use your eyes. it was a question that you have butchered for you own needs.
i mean if ps3 is giving bigger better games then why does it look just like the xbox 360?

honestly i dont even want to know from your perspective cause all you will do is mess it up. can some one else explain this to me.

 

[Shiftfallout]

What did you do? Also, I noticed you said you worked in the film industry on another thread. What did you do there too?

Not as much as with film. Both markets are closely nit, as southern california is full of game studios. I helped teach a game design class at a major uni for a quarter, working along side mechwarrior developers. Helped as a game tester when i was in college moved over to work with a couple game producers who wanted to incorporate modern day cinema into their games, so i talked with their developers on how to do this, as my degree is in film and digital media. Currenly like my name suggest, im working with a certain game franchise which will be made into a movie. Other films I have played a small role in were Castlevania produced by crystal sky, started by creative executive Andrew Hyatt and then passed onto Paul W.S. Anderson. Which hes going to ruin a good film. The original script written my mr. hyatt was much better. Also with crystal sky Tekken, 75 million dollar budget film based off the game franchise, Have been in communications with the author of the RING and his Rival, best known for the parasite eve trilogy. Marvels Avi Arad for his upcoming films and finally been in communications with the guy who owns the rights to the Fallout franchise. Hate or like it, a movie is being made off that.

Enough about me though, i hope that helped clear up any unbelievablity in my claims. I really dont want to say too much though because too much lnformation on some projects can get me in trouble with my line of work.

Switching Disks only works if all of the game data can be stored on a single DVD/CD (so all the gameplay mechanics, engine, script etc...). It's only used when the movie files are too big to stick on also. Of course, I think it's still possible to do it, even if it can be considered "undesirable" to do so.

yep, but more pain than its worth for disc swapping.

I'm not quite sure I'm following you. Are you saying that developers will eventually and naturally go to the PS3 once they hit the ceiling of the competitors and their limitations? Or that Sony will have a hand in every game because it has the least problems when it comes to power?

Im saying that those developers who want to make a large and blockbuster style game will look for the medium that allows them the most freedom to do really big projects. Developers will naturally continue to drop games on more than one system, but the games they release will be limited by the medium they are put on and payed on. As time goes on, developers look to out do the other, to make the next biggest and greatest thing. To do that, More advanced GPUs and Storage mediums will be needed.

Xbox will release another verion of the 360 here soon with a 180 gig hard drive, yet they refuse to put in an HD DvD rom drive. Which means they plan on more games installing on the HD than relying purely on one disc.

That's not neccessarily true in this gen so far. Some of the games have been downgraded and ported to the Wii. Marvel Ultimate Alliance is an example of this. It's also allowed for an extended lifespan of the PS2, as we see things like Tony Hawks Downhill Jam get ported to that also.

Well what happens in these cases is that it cost the developers more time to make these changes, which means more money. However, the game itself is limited by the first system it comes out on. If they do a re-release of a game for another system, it means they are tying to keep the game alive and continue the revinue from it, but it also means more devopement time. They dont usually like to do this, but will if they want to keep reapin in the benefits of one title.

 

[sagema]

Whoa?! $75 million for Tekken?! Squaresoft had the highest game movie budget ever, and I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned Tekken is they got even half that amount. Most of Parasite Eve was made in Hawaii, Japan. I heard Fall Out the game is still not being worked on, let alone a movie. Um... Where are you getting this $75 million budget from?

 

[PtonJalken]

i was joking about the old titanic 12'... no need to go crazy.

and wtf u talking about switching games online? wut game ever did that. you dont need bluray to keep multiplayer on one disk lol. just put all multiplayer data on 1. and again, needing to swap a disk or not wont help br sales unless the buyers are 500pounds.

 

[Shiftfallout]

...(snip)....ok spock since you like to use illogical so much......(snip).

Well you got me.. Im spock.

 

[Ziah Remell]

look at it in the business terms , Sony our going to lose alot money. No-matter what happens in this console war. Designing games is an exspensive deal in nexgen graphics race , the smaller developers are going to have a hard time competing .This is where Sony's bread & butter sale comes from. Thats how they did so well in the past generation.Sony are not like Nintendo when it comes to inhouse development ,they can't suport a console on its own. Nintendo could and has ,with the N64 and Gamecube . Sony are slowly pricing themselves out of the war. So if you can't attract gamers in mass market to pay £425 for what they claim to be the future of gaming, then you could be looking at the next Sega saturn.

 

[PtonJalken]

also you (not shift) say marvel for the wii is downgraded? you obviously havnt played it. i own it and its 50x faster and more clear then ps2's (gf's bro owns ps2 version)

 

[Zap2]

I know who don't have a Wii- Michael J. Foxx and Muhammad Ali
This is simply because Wii requires pinpoint control of your hand and arms for some things.
Hold two pens in one hand and put your arm directly out. If your arm or hand is shaking, don't buy a wii.

Listen up stupid

1) Both my brother and I have tremors, and we both can play the Wii fine. My brother tremors are far worse then mine, but its hardly an issue. That was one of the worst post I've ever read online.

2) The reason the Wii is selling more isn't the price, it help yes, but its not the main reason. Selling console are like medicine. Even if a good medicine tastes bad, you'll take it because it work. If it doesn't work, then why take it?


PS3-Bad taste, and it doesn't do itd job

Wii-Good taste, and does its job.

 

[Squall7]

also you say marvel for the wii is downgraded? you obviously havnt played it. i own it and its 50x faster and more clear then ps2's (gf's bro owns ps2 version)

It is downgraded from the 360 and PS3 version. I own a copy of it for the Wii and if you look on the back of the 360 and PS3 versions (which I think were out before the Wii version - I think), the graphics aren't as good.

Also, it would explain why the graphics weren't as good as the Wii could do - the build for the PS2 version is probably adapted from the Wii version (or vice versa). This means, despite the power difference between PS2 and Wii, they'd both get roughly the same game, whereas the original higher ended version would be the same on PS3 as is on 360. In effect, there's only 2 core versions of the games (except with slightly different features).

 

[Shiftfallout]

Whoa?! $75 million for Tekken?! Squaresoft had the highest game movie budget ever, and I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned Tekken is they got even half that amount. Most of Parasite Eve was made in Hawaii, Japan. I heard Fall Out the game is still not being worked on, let alone a movie. Um... Where are you getting this $75 million budget from?

I worked in the company thats producing it. 75 million for Tekken. I think the only magazine that has advertised this to the general public is the daily variety which is a well known film magazine. Crystal Sky sold Ghost Rider (horrible movie) over to Sony Studios and let them take over for about 150 million (cant remember the exact number but it was up there).

Parasite eve was indeed made in japan however the author got shafted. Both him and the author of the ring started at the same time. A popular but very stingey publishing group in japan held a contest for writers to see who can write the best horror story. The two top authors were those guys (sorry cant remember how to spell their names and dont feel like looking it up). The guy that wrote parasite eve was pissed because he found out that the contest also took away his rights for the franchise and was upset that they only made a japanese version of the movie where as RING went over to hollywood as well as japan. I am currently trying to get the rights back from the group that holds onto so we can see an american version of the movie more close to the original playstaion 1 game.

Fallout is intersting... Bethesday bought the rights to make the single player game from interplay, interplay still retained the rights for a mmorpg since its their baby. The ceo of interplay just recently was flying around the world getting investors to fund the mmorpg. Its going into the pre-production planning stages right now, Bethesda already started the single player developement phase. So two fallout games will be coming out within 3-5 years. The movie will most likely happen inbetween that time.

Add: a bit of interesting news. The largest video game movie to be made budgetwise will most likely be the Warcraft (WoW) movie. That is if it happens. Im not sure where they are at in this stage of development/or preproduction.

 

[PtonJalken]

It is downgraded from the 360 and PS3 version. I own a copy of it for the Wii and if you look on the back of the 360 and PS3 versions (which I think were out before the Wii version - I think), the graphics aren't as good.

Also, it would explain why the graphics weren't as good as the Wii could do - the build for the PS2 version is probably adapted from the Wii version (or vice versa). This means, despite the power difference between PS2 and Wii, they'd both get roughly the same game, whereas the original higher ended version would be the same on PS3 as is on 360. In effect, there's only 2 core versions of the games (except with slightly different features).

i getcha.
sounded like it said wii version was worst then ps2. thx