PS3 sucks, now tell me why not to think so.

[Shadow20074]

:yikes: Insultin my system don't go well wit me. Here you are a$$ Hol3.

Blu-ray games - wii doesnt need them, neither does ps3...

blu-ray technology - handy but unessesary (adds to cost of games/console):yikes:

high definition graphics - always nice, but in the end its not graphics that matterrrr:

storage of music - again, always nice but not needed, and wii will be able to do this, SD card bla blah

storage of video - wii can do this

storage of pictures - wii can do this

Motion Sensor controller (also with tilt) - wii has this (and it is far superior, infact sony stole the idea):nonod:

bluetooth compatible - no one needs this -.-:sleep:

 

[Shiftfallout]

Blu-ray games - wii doesnt need them, neither does ps3...

Actually, to be truely next gen, we do need that storage space offered by blue ray. Using blue ray will also slow down if not stop piracy for a period of time, which is a huge problem for developers right now. The wii has the easiest games to pirate and no one really wants to waste 50 dollars on tiny games.

blu-ray technology - handy but unessesary (adds to cost of games/console):yikes:

50 gigs of space is more than just handy. They are now planning on including the full HD movie along with any game on the same disc for some games based off movies. So if you bought a lord of the rings game, it would include the movie on that one disc. Its cheaper to have one blue ray disk than 2 dvd-9 disks. Bigger rom disks add to the lifespan of the system. Which in my opinion is worth an extra 100 bucks. Still other consoles have a lot of little add ons that make up for the lower price. You pay less by buying things in one big package rather than in smaller incriments.

high definition graphics - always nice, but in the end its not graphics that matterrrr:

Some games, and their gameplay are reliant on what visuals can be displayed on the screen and the resolution at which they can be played. So graphical capabilities actually are tied in with new gameplay capabilities. Consumers are not happy if there is no progression because the value of old tech goes down and is not worth making. If someone tried to sell you an nes for the price of the wii in this day and age, many would feel like they are trying to rip you off. Same concept.

storage of music - again, always nice but not needed, and wii will be able to do this, SD card bla blah

Karaoke? sing star? mixing your own music and sending to your PC? recording your own media? Theres a lot more going on that what you make it out to seem. Wii is a very very simple system, fun but simple. It cannot handle these types of features in the way that the 360 or ps3 could. But then you are not paying for it either.

storage of video - wii can do this

Storage of video? can the wii stream video to your psp and you watch it whereever you go in your house? No again theres a lot more than just video that can be stored on the ps3. It is merely one option, its there because there is not reason for it NOT to be there. The wii cannot display at high resolutions. This is a big deal. If you do not feel that way feel free to change your computer resolution to 400 x 300 and enjoy.

storage of pictures - wii can do this

merely a feature that is there because it can be there. Can you take those pictures and put them into a game itself? can you log into HOME and go into your virtual apartment and look around to see that your wall paper is one that you made on your computer, or hang a picture of your gf? How about playing a sims style game and use the videos, music, and pictures on your HD in the game itself? can the wii do this?
I think you downplay the possibilities either due to bias or ignorance.

Motion Sensor controller (also with tilt) - wii has this (and it is far superior, infact sony stole the idea):nonod:

Ok now im going to call you stupid. So sony stole the idea huh? thats funny because nintedo stole that tech from someone else. IN fact, there was a ps1 controller with a tilt function way back in the day, and before that a microsoft pc controller.
No the truth is, both sony and nintendo are already using an available technology that is neither their own nor original. If it helps, Sony filed the patent for the six-axis controller before nintendo announced their wiimote. So sorry to break it to ya, but sony had plans for motion sensing way before anyone knew of the wiimote. No one stole anything. They are both trying to give gamers more enjoyment in how they play games.

bluetooth compatible - no one needs this -.-:sleep:

*slaps you* Because you know nothing about bluetooth. what are you? a caveman? Theres a lot of things in life we do not need, but they are things we want. We dont need games at all, in fact lets just go outside and play. But we want games, and it makes playing easier. Blue tooth opens possibilities and quite fankly, I love blue tooth. I cant imagine living without it.

Nice try though. People like you prevent the progression of gaming, and unlike you I like to see it evolve to its maxiumum potential as technology improves and becomes available to the consumer.

 

[Shadow20074]

ill admit that blu ray probably is next gen, but piracy isnt that big of a problem for nintendo, there are no pirate games for the wii, i have checked myself
i still say that whilst having all the extra music space, video space, and crap is good, it all adds to the price of the console, i heard somewhere that ps3 havnt even started making profit from their machines cause they cost so much to build, i am only 16, and there is no way i would buy one for that price tag, the wii is just as good, and nearly 1/3 of the ps3 starting price

 

[Flagel]

People like you prevent the progression of gaming, and unlike you I like to see it evolve to its maxiumum potential as technology improves and becomes available to the consumer.

Sony employee found.

 

[Shadow20074]

Sony employee found.

lmfao!
this is how they stole the motion sensing idea...

 

[Shiftfallout]

ill admit that blu ray probably is next gen, but piracy isnt that big of a problem for nintendo, there are no pirate games for the wii, i have checked myself
i still say that whilst having all the extra music space, video space, and crap is good, it all adds to the price of the console, i heard somewhere that ps3 havnt even started making profit from their machines cause they cost so much to build, i am only 16, and there is no way i would buy one for that price tag, the wii is just as good, and nearly 1/3 of the ps3 starting price

your only 16. Ok that makes sense, sadly theres 13 year olds on here that are smarter than you. You dont even know what piracy is. Dear god. And you obviously did not read what I said about the motion sensing.

Kid you need go back to school. I know the education system in the UK isnt bad... so home school maybe? I know quite a few from the UK who would be ashamed of you.

Sony employee found.

Care to explain? because quite frankly your remark makes no sense, nor does it point towards sony only in any way or form. Nice try. My jewish friend taught me an interesting word. He said that the word Flagel is used by some jews to point out a flaming gay person. Are you flaming gay? Do you like but secks?

 

[Shadow20074]

firstly i am in school, a place which you obviously didnt go, or you wouldnt be spending your free time flaming a 16 yr old and the wii on a wii forum...
also theres no point insulting people on the forum, that is not why we are here, we come on here to talk to other wii fans about our intrests, and to express our opinions, and if you cant even handle that without losing it, go buy some stress balls or somthing, unless you have no money cause you dont work, but flame minors on here

 

[Squall7]

Off topic: Is it me, or is there only a handful of people on here that are civil?

On Topic: True, piracy exists with the Wii, for pirated versions of the NTSC Super Paper Mario was meant to brick some PAL Wii's, if their machine wasn't updated. Though I do not know how they got the Rom in the first place - as far as I'm aware, Wii disks won't play in PC DVD-Rom drives. I think they must have to use the Wii to rip the disk somehow (similar to the method of retrieving Gamecube Disk data, using the modem adaptor and Phantasy Star Online - Not that I've tried it though, just read about it).

Though to be fair, unless PS3 disks are somehow unreadable for a PC Blu Ray drive (Not sure if they're released yet), then I'm pretty sure a similar thing could be done with the PS3.

Also, I thought Nintendo were going to crack down on people using "backups", something about a firmware update to stop those pesky mod chips.

Piracy is not my best subject area, but I do read up on it. If there's one company that would lose out a lot on piracy, it's Nintendo, what with most of their first party games, being system sellers.

 

[Shiftfallout]

Off topic: Is it me, or is there only a handful of people on here that are civil?

Its a "civil" war damnit, *loads his cannon* Have at you confederate...er ... socialist scum!!

No but seriously... Read below.

On Topic: True, piracy exists with the Wii, for pirated versions of the NTSC Super Paper Mario was meant to brick some PAL Wii's, if their machine wasn't updated. Though I do not know how they got the Rom in the first place - as far as I'm aware, Wii disks won't play in PC DVD-Rom drives. I think they msut have to use the Wii to rip the disk somehow (similar to the method of retrieving Gamecube Disk data, using the modem adaptor and Phantasy Star Online - Not that I've tried it though, just read about it).

Theres actually a cheap 20 dollar dvd rom you can get on amazon (im not giving out the brand name for obvious reasons) that is popular for actually reading wii disks. So they can play on a PC. But! big but, you do not need it to actually burn the wii games. Anyone with a writable dvd and a mod chip can make copys of wii games. Or buy them from some guy on the street corner. There are programs that take the image file found on the net, convert it and burn it onto the blank dvd. Then you pop it in and wala, your playing a pirated game.

The current mod chips out right now are upgradable with the wii updates as well, so no matter what ninty does, the modders are one step ahead. My friend has his wii able to play both pal and ntsc games that he finds on the internet. Takes him 2 hours to DL the 4 gig file, 1 min to burn it, and wala, hes playing a wii game. Its that easy sadly. But then again, games like wiiplay and sonic are not really worth 50 bucks. Its obvious. There are games like wario ware and mario that are.

360 games are a bit harder to pirate, because you have to find out which dvd rom the 360 you bought came with. there are 3 different brands that might be used for your 360.

As for the ps3, its not easy to DL a 15-50 gig game, and no one really has a blue ray writer as of yet to then upload those massive games onto the net. The only thing the ps3 will have for piracy is games that can be directly installed from the PC (or via wi-fi/internet) to the ps3 hard drive which can be as big as you want it to be as it uses a pc HD. We might see pirated smaller titles and homebrew but the games that use the blue ray fully will be the hardest to pirate if not impossible. Its actually quite smart, giving incentive for developers to use the technology fully.

Though to be fair, unless PS3 disks are somehow unreadable for a PC Blu Ray drive (Not sure if they're released yet), then I'm pretty sure a similar thing could be done with the PS3.

Im not so sure about that also, so I cannot confirm either way.

Also, I thought Nintendo were going to crack down on people using "backups", something about a firmware update to stop those pesky mod chips.

Piracy is not my best subject area, but I do read up on it. If there's one company that would lose out a lot on piracy, it's Nintendo, what with most of their first party games, being system sellers.

And unfortunately, the wii is just too easy to mod. Its not a very advanced system, and the simplicity is a modders playground.

Why dont you nintendo fags crawl back into its vagina and keep pretending the world is nothing but mario and monkeys.

Hmm, i think thats going a bit too far to be honest. Yes theres a lot of ignorance and hate going on, but nintendo doesnt deserve the hate either. As long as we understand nintendos primary market is children and has been so for a long time, they cannot win with being the most technologically advanced system. Nintys goal then is just to make something fun and simple. Once we can accept the fun and simple side of nintendo, and not make it out to be more or less than what it really is. Accepting what it can and cannot do, then we can all talk normally. Of course that wont happen since some think the wii is the highlander, and there can be only one. But anyways, i digress, back to the point. I suggest using a bit... different choice of wordage.

 

[Squall7]

Than your a schooled tard.

You know this is the wii forums, but in a ps3 section, where people do nothing but make fun of the ps3. This is stupid and should just rename it to "Playstation 3 **** talking" cause no one here says anything nice on it. Why dont you nintendo fags crawl back into its vagina and keep pretending the world is nothing but mario and monkeys.

Fanboyism - Leave it at the door please

There should be no fanboyism. However, debate is allowed, so long as it's mature. Also, people are allowed to be critical of the PS3. Flamebaiting is looked down upon no matter what side it's from.

 

[Flagel]

Care to explain? because quite frankly your remark makes no sense, nor does it point towards sony only in any way or form. Nice try. My jewish friend taught me an interesting word. He said that the word Flagel is used by some jews to point out a flaming gay person. Are you flaming gay? Do you like but secks?

You like to use a lot of words, but actually say very little.
Also when you say my remark makes no sense it implies that you clearly have your anti-obvious goggles on.

As far as i'm aware Flagel means different things depending on where you are, but I understand it to be a combination of the words "flavoured" and "bagel".
A flavoured bagel. A Flagel.

Also to contribute further to the thread, ps3 outsold by gba again this month in the US.

 

[Squall7]

Takes him 2 hours to DL the 4 gig file, 1 min to burn it, and wala, hes playing a wii game.

1 minute to burn a 4 gig file?... Hope you're exaggerating there, otherwise, I bought the wrong PC!

Its that easy sadly. But then again, games like wiiplay and sonic are not really worth 50 bucks. Its obvious. There are games like wario ware and mario that are.

True. Though to be fair, the products coming out on the Wii are just experimental. Games like Wiisports and Wiiplay were designed to allow people to adjust to playing in a new way. It's why each game is fairly unique.

360 games are a bit harder to pirate, because you have to find out which cd rom the 360 you bought came with. there are 3 different brands that might be used for your 360.

And that would be harder/more effort than buying, installing and downloading in order to play a pirate game? Not that I'm familiar with the 360's layout or anything, but wouldn't it be either on the box, on the menu screen or options or anything?

As for the ps3, its not easy to DL a 15-50 gig game, and no one really has a blue ray writer as of yet to then upload those massive games onto the net. The only thing the ps3 will have for piracy is games that can be directly installed from the PC to the ps3 hard drive which can be as big as you want it to be as it uses a pc HD. We might see pirated smaller titles and homebrew but the games that use the blue ray fully will be the hardest to pirate if not impossible. Its actually quite smart, giving incentive for developers to use the technology fully.

Sounds interesting. Is there just the Blue Ray issue to deal with, or does it include other "locks"?

And unfortunately, the wii is just too easy to mod. Its not a very advanced system, and the simplicity is a modders playground.

True. Though I suppose most of the "new target audience" wouldn't even dream of invalidating the warranty to crack open the Wii and install a mod chip.

 

[Shadow20074]

A flavoured bagel. A Flagel.

im laughing my a$$off here, you deserve an award for that dude

 

[Shiftfallout]

1 minute to burn a 4 gig file?... Hope you're exaggerating there, otherwise, I bought the wrong PC!

lol probably, I am usually involved in drinking a beer or talking so time seems to go by fairly fast. Its not long though.

True. Though to be fair, the products coming out on the Wii are just experimental. Games like Wiisports and Wiiplay were designed to allow people to adjust to playing in a new way. It's why each game is fairly unique.

It definately shows. The third party devs havent yet quite used the wiimote as well as ninty has. Wiisports is by far my favorite wii game, but they should have put wiiplay with the wii itself because as a stand alone, its a really bad game and wiisports, though fun, is still lacking in options. I remember they said they wanted to use mario characters instead of mii's, i really wish they did.

And that would be harder/more effort than buying, installing and downloading in order to play a pirate game? Not that I'm familiar with the 360's layout or anything, but wouldn't it be either on the box, on the menu screen or options or anything?

Well from what I know, first the 360 uses 9 gig dvds and if you were to play a pirated game, it has to be able to fit on the dvd, second they actually use the roms within the 360 itself to read and make the images of the games. I remember with the original 360, they booted up a custom interface when turning on the console. Piracy for the 360 is still not easy, but its not non existant either. I will have to read up more on the 360 in that area because I have not really kept up to date on the 360s progression with modders and pirates.

Sounds interesting. Is there just the Blue Ray issue to deal with, or does it include other "locks"?

If i give you an answer, i know personally i wouldnt be 100% sure about it. So i need to look into the actual blue ray writing process. I am familiar with the basics of blue ray, and have not taken the time to research how it will be used in terms of home use and PCs.

True. Though I suppose most of the "new target audience" wouldn't even dream of invalidating the warranty to crack open the Wii and install a mod chip.

True, pirates are still the minority of gamers. But lets look at it in a different light. Piracy is indirectly partially nintendos fault because they cannot keep up with the demand.

By that i mean, consider this: buying a wii from outside sources is common because it is so hard to find. So you have people who buy wiis and resell them for much much more. I have seen this first hand, and a search on ebay will show users showing off mountains of wiis they have for sale. They cut the normal consumer off from the source and resell higher. In order to get an even better price, quite a few will buy a cheap 20-50 dollar mod chip, install it in all their wiis. Burn the games. And then resell it as a package deal for 300 more than a normal wii on ebay/craigslist. It is easier to find already modded wiis that have been marked up in price because of the mod job.

So due to the demand and lack of supply due partially to these resellers looking to make an extra buck, mod chips within the wii are much easier to find. And someone looking for a wii will buy it because its in demand, and they feel they are getting a deal with the free pirated games.

 

[Shiftfallout]

You like to use a lot of words, but actually say very little.
Also when you say my remark makes no sense it implies that you clearly have your anti-obvious goggles on.

Or perhaps you are blind to the meaning within which i say. As the famous words of K-fed before he left Britney "its not me its you"..

As far as i'm aware Flagel means different things depending on where you are, but I understand it to be a combination of the words "flavoured" and "bagel".
A flavoured bagel. A Flagel.

Aye.. flavored bagel indeed...

FLAVORED BAGEL INDEED.

Fabulous!

Also to contribute further to the thread, ps3 outsold by gba again this month in the US.

Yeah i heard bicycles are outselling jets this month in the USA too.