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Can sexuality be changed?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Sixty, Apr 3, 2009.

  1. Lewi T

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    Here's a question that we were talking about the other night.

    Right, fair enough people are gay, they enjoy men and penises. That's fine. But, why is it, that some gay males also have the whole voice/walk/mannerisms thing on the go?

    There's gay people I know that are just like the straight people I know, apart from who they want to shag. Then there's gay people I know that are like what I said above. Anyone got an explanation?
     
  2. navarre

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    For starters, especially with the growth of Islam here (3%, or 1.5 million adherents in ths country), when I refer to religion, I'm not talking about Christianity exclusively. I think the latest statistics put the percentage of church goers in this country at 7-8% of the population or around 4.2 million people. I wouldn't take that figure lightly- it still is a hell of a lot of people.
    And to be honest, I sincerely doubt that WiiChat is an accurate representation of the British public.
    I thought Gordon Brown was an atheist? Or at least less religious than the overtly Roman Catholic Blair.
     
  3. AndThen?

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    I think some guys are just naturally more effeminate, and are more comfortable acting like that than trying to be like all the other guys. That, and the cultural "expectations" or whatever of the gay community are wayyy different to that of mainstream society... If you spend enough time around people who say "hayy girl hayyy", then you're probably going to end up saying "hayy girl hayyy".

    But I wouldn't exactly call myself an expert on the matter. I don't know anyone who actually lives up to the stereotype.
     
  4. Sixty

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    I've also noticed that gay people tend to have a universal accent. Most people have traits of it in their voice. Why is that? I know some people can sound straight and you wouldn't be able to tell their sexuality from a mile off, but I don't think it's like... a female thing, because women don't speak like that. Always baffled me.
     
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    Oh theres a dude at college we didnt know was gay ALL year til his birthday and he was all, "oh hay! heres by BF"

    No one had any idea.

    Another dude, is as queer as they come, totally lives the lifestyle, has thr voice, does all the dressing up etc.

    The difference is significant, I'm not too sure what impacts it, except the people they choose to hang around with?

    The first guy primarily hangs with straight people, whilst the second was always with gay guys.
     
  6. Napalmbrain

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    I honestly have no idea. I've known one gay guy who spoke like that, but I've also known gays who didn't. Incidentally, I've also met a straight guy who spoke like that.

    Just curious... do you know how many of them are regular church-goers?

    He's Presbyterian, apparently.
     
  7. LevesqueIsKing

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    I think this is a matter of socialization. It's not like there are two different kinds of homosexuals: Ones that are meant to be the husband and ones that are meant to be the wife. It's just a matter of who they relate with. Some gays spend time with other gays, while some gays prefer to have straight friends. We shouldn't underestimate the influence that our peers have on us.

    The bolded part above was to emphasize the fact that the process could just as likely happen to a straight man. I'd be willing to bet that this person you knew, Napalm, had one or more gay friends.
     
  8. Twilight Hero

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    I think being gay is wrong. Everyone should be straight.
     
  9. Chewy

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    We get it, you hate gays. Now either post some logic to back up your opinion other than "Jesus told me so", or stop posting in here.

    I believe that gay people like that are generally what you call "women trapped in a mans body". Their sex is male but their gender is female. They aren't really trying to act like that, that is just them being themselves.
     
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    But Jesus told me so.
     
  11. Napalmbrain

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    I'm not sure. We both went did physics in Cardiff University, but he lived 20 miles away so I don't know he likes to hang around with, apart from his (ex-)girlfriend and a male friend, who were also on the same course.
     
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    Hurr hurr.

    Quit trolling. Go to 4chan if you wanna do that.
     
  13. AndThen?

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    Nah, that's different... "a woman trapped in a man's body" is how a transgender person would define themselves, whereas the very flamboyant gays we're talking about are comfortably male.

    @Tyler, I think the voice can be a result of many things... hanging out with other flamboyant gay guys, hanging out with women, having a naturally nasal voice... etc.
     
  14. Chewy

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    I still wouldn't consider a flamboyant gays gender to be masculine. "A woman trapped in a man's body" is probably a bad way to describe it, but I'd definitely consider their gender to be more feminine than masculine since they act feminine and assume feminine roles in relationships.
     
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    "...Feminine roles in relationships."


    ???!?!? This is a pet hate of mine. I hate when a gay couple is mentioned, and someone inevitably goes "So who's the girl in the relationship?" There is no girl. That's the point. Sure, one might be more submissive, more flamboyant, but the idea is that both are male. And you don't have to be macho to be masculine. They're not conflicted, they're happy to be male... so they're not female.
     
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    Almost every gay person my age (that I knew was gay, I suppose) that I've met have been the stereotype of a gay. Most of them live in either Melbourne or Sydney and hung around the gay cultures down there, so it would have something to do with the crowds they run with. And those that didn't yet live there, they were best friends with girls.

    That said, one of my best friends is gay and you wouldn't even know it. They obviously hang with their partner, but I don't think they go beyond that. I imagine just because you're gay it doesn't mean you are going to get into all the culture, live the social life etc. Not everyone is going to be outgoing. Straight people certainly are not. Being gay doesn't automatically give you the social bug. So I'd have to agree with AndThen about the voice.
     
  17. Sixty

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    I'd think that the flamboyance was due to them being confident, mostly. Of course, you can be comfortably gay if you don't let everyone know as soon as you meet them.
     
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    That is regular church goers.

    That was the only thing that annoyed me when my best mate turned/discovered/overtly acted gay. He started hanging around with me and my mates less and less and girls more and more. So, we drifted apart. He was a ****ing legend as well. I doubt I'd like him much if I met him today- he's gone too far off the rails (hasn't been to school in a year, smokes heavily, drinks daily at parties, takes drugs at 15), but he was a good mate and we had a good history. A bit like Mongolia- glorious history, but alas, no future.
     
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    OK let me explain myself better. If you wanna look at gender in a black and white way i.e. only male or female, then yes, their gender would be male because they are comfortable being male.

    But that's not the way I see it, I think there is more to gender than that. There are feminine males, masculine females, etc...

    For example:
    A transgendered male (man trapped in woman's body) would have the gender of a feminine female. They act feminine and want to be a woman.

    A flamboyant homosexual I would categorize as a feminine male. They naturally act more feminine than masculine but they want to be a man.

    This is of course all in theory(gender is really just a theory anyways), so feel free to disagree. But that that is just the way I look at it.
     
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    I understand this frustration and I understand that you're trying to make the point that gay couples are not trying to be straight couples, but I don't know if I'd say that it hasn't affected them at all. I don't think it's a coincidence—or solely due to compatability—that gay couples fairly frequently consist of two people with very different personalities(?). That's not to say that they're trying to be a straight couple, but I think that society may have a subconscious affect on their tastes.
     

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