Does God exist?

[Napalmbrain]

no, it said one pair of EVERY land animal. that means everyting from a mouse to an elephant. and no boat can be built of wood and still float if filled with that many animals. it would have to be the size of a large city, like say new york. and sadly thats too much for one guy to do in one lifetime, even by todays standards

The Bible is full of things that would be impossible without God's power. For example, Jesus fed a crowd of upward of 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and two fish, and by the time the food has been distributed there were 12 baskets of leftover food.

The Bible gives the dimensions of the ark in cubits which works out to the size of around 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. That's the volume of about 570 railroad cars. There's no problem whatsoever with a structure of that size floating. Also the Bible refers to bring "kinds" of animals, which is somewhat ambiguous of specifically what that means. It doesn't necessarily mean species. But also, some animals were 7 pairs, not just 1 pair. Plus he had to take food. Then God himself closed the door and sealed it.

Even if you interpret "kind" very loosely so that you could fit them all in, that leaves other problems:

1. How did Noah stop the animals from eating each other?
2. What about creatures that live in freshwater? They'd be killed be a flood too.
3. Where did all that water come from, and where did it go?
4. Why would God kill off all those people for their sins, when later on, he's willing to die for our sins?

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

If god creates everyone then why does he create people with mental or physical disabilities? I just saw 2 girls that were conjoined by their head on TV. Asshole

So this concerns evil (corruption, illness, disease, famine, poverty, torture, war, etc.) existing in the world...

Lots of people are looking into the situation in Haiti and asking "Why would God allow such a thing to occur? If he really exists, he would have to be good, so either he exists and isn't good, or he doesn't exist, since he would have prevented or not have had the earthquake occur in the first place, which killed tens of thousands of innocent human beings."

They may also look into the fact that there are conjoined twins, deformed faces, nasty birth defects, illnesses, etc that are all too evident. I can understand why one might think that if God existed, these cases would cease to exist. But does that really disprove the existence of God, especially a Good God? I'm not gonna start pulling verses from a sacred text or scriptures, as that tends to do nothing. If I can derive answers from the text logically (meaning it makes complete sense) I will use it (it really annoys me when people throw Bible verses at you with the implication that it's correct and directly FROM God, so you should just believe it--what a horrible tactic). But for now, it will be more conceptual.

What I'm about to say might sound bizarre to some, but hear me out:

It is no secret that things that appear to be evil occur every day in daily life, and being born with severe defects or dying shortly after is no exception to these realities we have all seen. To me, God existing also means God is indeed Good. Evil occurrences or natural disasters does not rule out His existence, nor does it disqualify Him from being good. So, how then can a good God allow evil things to happen? Firstly, in order for good to exist or be evident, there needs to be a combating of the opposite--evil. I'm not saying that if you don't get your brother or sister a glass of water when they ask for it, you are committing evil, but if you didn't, you have went against that which may be considered good (the situation is theoretical, I made it up). Evil isn't limited to heinous crimes or extreme occurrences, either.

So as I was saying, evil-like things certainly occur, but in the end, they will always appear to be evil to a person who takes things at face value. For instance, a baby is born and a few minutes later he or she dies due to various reasons and is beyond any aid that will save him or her. At first glance, this is an "evil" occurrence (I explained just earlier that evil doesn't necessarily have to consist of heinous crimes such as committing murder, stealing, etc.). Let's say that you were able to speak to God directly, and you asked Him what his reasoning was behind allowing such a thing to happen, He might tell you that if that baby had lived, your life will have been made a "living Hell" and the immense discomfort he or she may have caused you would have caused you to become an unbeliever in the True religion (whatever that religion may be). In other words, there is always good to come out from evil, but also something that appears to be evil may actually be good, you just have to accept it as and realize that it is in fact a blessing.

You may then ask--why go through with the pregnancy then if the baby was 'destined' to die? A theistic answer (that is, in this context, someone who believes in God and that this life is just a test) would be that the pregnancy was a test/trial, but also may have brought about necessary good for that person or family in the long run and overall. God allows evil to occur, but he also allows good. When an 'apparent evil' has occurred, it is usually for the greater good, in other words. And might I add that a world with only good is an unrealistic one in which free will plays no part.

Everything I have said is pretty much the Islamic perspective on this matter, and is in my own words.

 

[wawahwario]

Yes God is real and yes we should worship him...

We were created perfectly but out race was corrupted when sin entered the world. With sin came suffering.

 

[wasa]

If God didn't exist would we be in this topic in a wii forum? Come on, and for those who belive in evolution and the big bang theroy. Well thats the way God created everthing. Be thankful you have a chance to experience life, and if you have no one to thank for it then don't be ungratefull. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, or creats you.

 

[wawahwario]

Can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?

No he can't

God cannot do the things that he himself made impossible, or else he would be contradicting himself. He is still omnipotent though.

 

[wasa]

He doesn't waste time with rocks. He rotates planets at a perfect angle so you can enjoy 4 seasons and sunsets.

 

[DBloke]

Yes God is real and yes we should worship him...

We were created perfectly but out race was corrupted when sin entered the world. With sin came suffering.

>We were created perfectly
So why do we get ill then?

 

[wasa]

Yes God is real and yes we should worship him...

We were created perfectly but out race was corrupted when sin entered the world. With sin came suffering.

Yes God is real and yes we should worship him...

We were created perfectly but out race was corrupted when sin entered the world. With sin came suffering.

>We were created perfectly
So why do we get ill then?

Becasue we eat to much Mcdonlads. :sick:

 

[Skippy]

Yes God is real and yes we should worship him...

We were created perfectly but out race was corrupted when sin entered the world. With sin came suffering.

>We were created perfectly
So why do we get ill then?

The answer is already up there where wawahwario said "out race was corrupted when sin entered the world. With sin came suffering."

Adam and Eve were created perfect. They would have lived forever with perfect health had they not disobeyed God. This was the introduction of imperfection which was passed on to all their descendants - which is why we grow old, why we suffer sickness and disease, and why we die.

 

[Shadowking]

If God didn't exist would we be in this topic in a wii forum? Come on, and for those who belive in evolution and the big bang theroy. Well thats the way God created everthing. Be thankful you have a chance to experience life, and if you have no one to thank for it then don't be ungratefull. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, or creats you.

First of all STOP BRINGING THIS TO EVOLUTION. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT. >_<

Secondly, yes there would still be this topic. Because so many people blindly follow God even though he doesn't exist so we must still have the conversation even though nobody has provided any evidence for his existence, only against.

 

[wasa]

Do us all a favor and go find out.

 

[Shadowking]

What? It's not my job to find evidence for your side. And we've been doing better providing evidence on our side especially with posters like NapalmBrain.

 

[wasa]

Oops, got carried away. It's not about evidence it about having faith which no one can prove because it's a beautiful thing with in. Im not into religion but do believe God exist. End of discussion for me. apermario:

 

[DBloke]

Becasue we eat to much Mcdonlads. :sick:

Who is this "We"?
I haven't eaten anything from that vile place in what must be over fifteen years

Adam and Eve were created perfect. They would have lived forever with perfect health had they not disobeyed God. This was the introduction of imperfection which was passed on to all their descendants - which is why we grow old, why we suffer sickness and disease, and why we die.

Adam?

Spoiler

Eve?

Spoiler

One is a trip down nostalgia lane with a stop off at a marketing stroke of genius and the other is from a game few people have played but was awesome?

Both are far from perfect

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

Can God make a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?

No he can't

God cannot do the things that he himself made impossible, or else he would be contradicting himself. He is still omnipotent though.

Well said.

Here's another: Yes, God can do anything, but can he lie? No, it goes against God's nature to lie. This doesn't disqualify his omnipotence.

wawahwario, just out of curiosity, mind telling us the religion you follow or what your beliefs are?