has nintendo strayed its course? I miss the fun of the snes.

Been invited to throw an oar in, so will quickly offer my loose change.

Age. I honestly think an important part of the problem is age. The SNES was wonderful, as was the whole 16-bit era, but hell, to me so was the 8-bit era and playing on my Amstrad CPC 464 ;) At the moment, in terms of stone cold classics, the SNES has the most of my favourites on any machine, but part of that is through the realisation that several things happened during that era:

- Arcades were easier to emulate on home formats

- The 2D era has almost reached its zenith

- Many genres has been given time to mature and grow to their possibilities

-Gaming was still quite fresh in terms of mainstream viability

Arcades are, by all extents and purposes, a lost art. 3D has yet to reach that sort of zenith 2D reached, because there's so much more to it and it's far more expensive. Genres have been run into the ground after decades of growth. And gaming is no longer the 'underground' medium it once was, as we’re exposed to it in all forms.

There's tons of other factors too, which make me agree with Shift to an extent – Miyamoto has a comparatively small hands-on role compared to what he used to have, game development times have increased so more corners are cut, money is a larger factor than ever, design is now more rigid than its has been and we're a bit more jaded than we were before.

But I honestly do think it comes with growing up with a medium as young as this one. Many kids growing up in this era will probably feel the same in 10-15 years time, and may treat our renaissance period like some may treat art, movies and music's 'renaissance' periods – with a mild curiosity, but it just wont be 'modern' enough (as such with our visual and tech driven medium - no other medium is as tech driven as gaming). I doubt many middle to old aged people would think much of our art/music/films compared to that of that golden age either (in the cases where the medium isn’t so old that we have no surviving members left, I'm sure you know what I mean ;) ) Some don’t appreciate Beethoven's 9th in the same way they appreciate Justin Timberlake's new hit, because they're not given historical reference to it – just like some wont know how important Super Mario Kart and Final Fantasy VI and Secret of Mana was to us.

It's just growth combined with commercialism, I think. And, as Rolex has already said, the DS manages to straddle both sides making it one of the best machines going for all generations. Recapturing that feeling you had during one of the medium's peaks is probably going to very difficult no matter how Nintendo or other companies make their games (after all, they change as well, in staff, mentality and aims) – but it's a bit like trying to recapture the first time you fell in love, whether that be with a certain song, person, book or film. It's always going to be different and not necessarily better or worse. The important thing is that you keep yourself open to trying and hopefully get a surprise out of it one day :)
 
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Shift you sound around the same age as myself. I remember my first play on a SNES, it was awesome. But then so were Devil Jawbreakers and Reebok Pump.
I think as we get older, part of the magic is lost, as is with christmas.

I pre-ordered the Wii in Oct 2006. I love the Wii, but maybe we're not true kids at heart anymore because, well, we're not kids?

Nintendo are doing what they've always done. Go against the grain, and never follow the sheep. It's just this time, it's become the major player (unexpected)
 
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I'd give the console a chance before making comparisons and conclusions. Fair enough its been out since the end of last year now but games (atleast the decent ones IMO) are still to come out. Old NES/SNES classics will no doubt make an appearance, Mario is already on the way for starters.

At the same time they have to move on its almost 15 years (maybe longer, I lose count) since I played Mario Allstars and Formula 1. Most of the SNES games wouldn't cut it today, thats not to say some can't be reworked and brought in to the 21st century for the Wii.

As for repeating games, I expect nothing less of them to repeat/rework/continue titles such as Mario and Zelda. Sony/Polyphony have the Gran Turismo series, then theres Crash Bandicoot.

Given time who knows, maybe Nintendo will take a look at their back catalogue and see what can be done for the Wii. Or maybe those days are long gone and we'll have to make do with the new style of gaming Nintendo and the others intend for us.
 
i agree 100% with ya shift... a lil weird.. but i was saying this to my brother not too long ago the SNES days were it.. i mean the games were top notch the storys were great it was different.. everything wasnt FPS of course lol but it was great... nintendo has gone down hill and i will admit this. ive had a nintendo since i was 3 (1989) and enjoyed it eversince.

mario paint was great i almost forgot about this game it was awesome, could keep ya busy for hours. maybe we will see it on VC... :wtf:
 
I agree Shift. I am 17 (less than a month until I am 18) and I still love playing my snes. Sadly it goes to my sister when she moves into her apartment this August. I first got my snes when I was probably around 4 or 5 for christmas and I probably play it as much now as I did back when I was a kid.

I live off of my snes and 64. Me and some of my friends have zelda fests (staying up all night seeing who can beat ocarina of time the fastest). Or we play Super Smash Bro's all the time because most of us think the 64 version is way better than the gc version. The only time I don't use any type of nintendo system is when I play guitar hero and thats the only game I play for the ps2.

So my main point is as sad as it is, the wii is straying away from their old roots. But we can't just blame Nintendo because with todays market all it is is I have to make money to stay in competition so for that Nintendo has to appeal to the newer generation of kids where it's OMG GRAPHICS. Where as me and my friends who own a wii sit around and have to wait until later this fall/Christmas to even see a game that is might actually live up to the wii's hype.
 
I have to say too that there was just something about the SNES era. I didn't even have many games for that system but what I did have was great. I'm playing through Super Mario World right now and it's just amazing how the game looks and sounds. It was nintendo's first system that was in stereo and they took advantage of it with simple sound effects.

Also, the graphics on the system were so different than you see today. Super Mario World for example is very colorful, the animation is great and there is a lot of small details in the environment. Many people would probably argue that Mario Sunshine on the gamecube has better graphics than SMW but I wouldn't agree. I prefer the graphics on SMW over Sunshine because of the color and how clear and simple they are. Some of the effects in Sunshine are great, such as the water but overall it feels less inspired than the graphics of SMW.
 
Shiftfallout, your argument could be used for any console ,they all play it safe and release newer versions of old games every year.

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