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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Frogger, Mar 12, 2008.

  1. owlsgo

    owlsgo czech me out.

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    my opinion of guns: no.
     
  2. BirdMasterLv100

    BirdMasterLv100 I dared to google google.

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    aw man thanks alot for the site now i have my eye on the desert eagle .44 magnum spring pistol.
     
  3. Diomedes

    Diomedes WiiChat Member

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    This
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    Not Advice To Buy Bloody Guns!!
     
  4. BirdMasterLv100

    BirdMasterLv100 I dared to google google.

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  5. sremick

    sremick Got lifeboat?

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    Blame Canada!

    Actually, be nice on them. Their girls are hot and so close I can hit it from here with a rock (Canadian soil, not the hot Canadian girls).
     
  6. Frogger

    Frogger God Complex

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    Oh, finally, someone understands this is for opinions.

    Not your opinion on Chuck Norris.

    ...Ah well, you're still not having them. I'd much not rather risk that chance of them getting in the wrong hands.

    And a gun in your house, damn, I'd be scared as hell.

    ...And may I ask how you'd defend yourself with that gun locked away safe? -_-; There's either a risk of kids getting ahold of them, or you, in the unbloody likely event of someone wanting to steal a TV (not worth someone's life, by the way) you'd be able to get that gun from a not so kiddy safe area.
     
  7. sremick

    sremick Got lifeboat?

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    I'd much rather you not have knives than they get in the wrong hands. Please turn them in to the authorities.

    I'd also prefer you not have a car, since you might hit someone and kill them. They're deadlier than guns. Please turn in your car.

    Knee jerk. You do realize that houses with a firearm are the safest houses and have an exponentially-lower chance of being robbed/attacked/etc?

    No wonder more and more people are letting themselves be victims every year. They're being brainwashed into being petrified about anything with the slightest risk associated with it, even if the mere possession of it (not even having to use it) increases their safety by a ridiculously huge factor.

    There are plenty of gun safes that allow quick access. This basic, obvious issue was solved long ago.

    http://www.gunsafestore.com/GV1000DLX.htm
    http://www.gunsafestore.com/GVB2000.htm
    http://www.gunsafestore.com/sequiambiovault.htm
    http://www.gunsafestore.com/biomax.htm
     
  8. Frogger

    Frogger God Complex

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    I don't trust myself with knives either, you know me oh so well!

    I'd much rather someone defend themselves with some stabbing action than shooting.

    I'm not old enough to have a car, your laws on that are prtety iffy too. ;)

    And you get this from where? I do believe that my house has never been broken into and we don't have guns, so it's not impossible to live with the fear that someone's going to come running in, wanting to rob something cheap and will have a gun, so ultimately, I somehow need to equalise this by owning a gun myself, which I can operate from everywhere around the house. Sleeping.

    Oh, no, I'm generally scared of everything I can be stupid with, even knives, yeah, I'm sounding like a baby here, I get someone else to do anything that will have the risk of me even scratching myself. I know I can trust them with a knife, everyone else in the country, not so sure.

    And I have absolutely no clue how they work. :thumbsup:
     
  9. sremick

    sremick Got lifeboat?

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    So the attacker is coming at your friend with a gun, so instead of your friend being able to have a gun themselves, you want your friend to have a knife. Gotcha. Knife versus gun.

    Hope you don't care about your friend very much, since they'll end up robbed, raped, or dead.

    The stats and sources I already provided earlier in this thread. How countries that ban guns (such as Australia and the UK) have much-higher home burglary rates than countries such as the USA that don't. That those same countries (Australia and the UK) showed a sharp increase in home burglaries as soon as they tried to ban guns. How even within the USA, where gun laws aren't consistent, states with fewer gun-control laws have fewer home burglaries and less crime in-general.

    Once again, choosing to be naive and oblivious to the overall trend and statistics is not an argument. We've been over this before already in this thread. Your own personal, anecdotal experience of never been robbed/attacked/raped/murdered/etc is of no substance. What is of substance is how statistically your country has a bigger problem with these things than countries that permit gun ownership. Just because your own number hasn't come up (yet) doesn't mean squat.

    Correction: you the victim don't have guns. The robbers do.

    Did you not read the sources I've provided multiple times in this thread already? Guns are still in the hands of the criminals in the UK. Just not the victims who deserve to not be victims.

    It's a shame that the UK fosters such a complacency with a "nanny society/government". It truly is. You become utterly dependent on someone to do everything for you, totally unable to fend for yourself in any situation. When someday you've got a guy twice your size with a knife/gun/etc who's got you cornered and threatening to rape you, let me know how your call to the police goes on your cell phone. I'll be curious.
     
  10. Brawny

    Brawny Anglophobiphile

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    So, Emma, you'd rather I be shot defending myself with a knife rather than have a chance at actually defending myself?

    Hell, it sounds like you'd help them carry the TV to their car, give them the appliances too, they're of no use to us either. =P

    Amen! DOWN WITH SOCIALISM.
     
  11. Frogger

    Frogger God Complex

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    You're going to be paying for it! And my rules, we've already established that. ;)

    Flawless plan!

    And if the attacker didn't have a gun in the first place? Oh, hoorah, that's so much better!

    We do have people with guns, but, no, not a lot. I really would think twice about walking home in the dark if people were allowed guns on the street, sure, there's other means of attacking me, but apparently knives just don't do the trick. I DO live in a bad area besides, and that's nothing to do with guns, it's just a city, and people can abuse everything.

    Alcohol, surely, causes more deaths than the more harmful substances, people are idiots. I don't like being around idiots that much.
     
  12. sremick

    sremick Got lifeboat?

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    Well, that's your choice.

    If you choose to be unduly paranoid and live in unwarranted fear, I suppose no one can stop you.

    I can assure you, though... as a lifetime resident of one of only 2 states in the entire USA with the most-relaxed gun laws in the entire country.... notably the fact that no permit is necessary to carry a concealed weapon... I can assure you that people don't stay locked inside at night, cowed in fear. Instead, we relish the fact that amongst the 50 states of the USA we have the 49th lowest crime rate in the entire country... And we walk confident, proud, and safe.

    Safer than you walk in the UK with your supposedly gun-free society, I should add. How you "feel" doesn't change the UK's crime rate relative to the USA, as much as you might want to convince yourself that the government knows best and is infallible and is making the best choices to always keep you safe in all circumstances, no matter what comes up.

    UK residents can delude themselves and pretend they're safe, or they can peel back the facade and discover the statistics that reveal otherwise, but the truth is the truth.

    Live free, safe and confident in the truth, or live fearful and hiding based upon emotions that have no basis in reality. Your choice.
     
  13. AndThen?

    AndThen? pull the trigger.

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    The vast majority of burglars don't have guns here, and I'm presuming it's the same in the UK. And even those that do aren't going to kill someone in order to steal a TV.

    And countries without gun control laws have more murders!

    Murder > home burglaries.

    Correction: No, they don't.

    I stopped looking at the sources you posted after that one on Adelaide - they're ridiculous and unfounded.

    I'll bet that never happens.
     
  14. Diomedes

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    I think you are forgetting something, Australia is a FAR safer place than America, full stop.


    Plus knives are more concealable than guns, and quiet too
     
  15. sremick

    sremick Got lifeboat?

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    "Vast majority"? Your government's own crime stats don't back that up. I quote:

    'In 2005, 37% of all robberies were armed; in 2006 it was 44%."

    Source: http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/robbery/stats/

    Not only is it not "vast", it's increasing and is almost half. If you have data that contradicts this, please show it to us.

    Gun control laws are not consistent across the USA. They are state-by-state. If you look at the USA as a whole, it skews the data because we have some high-crime, high-murder areas... that happen to coincide with gun-control states. Meanwhile, the states without strict gun-control have the least crime and least murders. The data I showed in earlier posts already showed this: gun-control = more murders and crime (on a per-capita basis).

    You seem to love making contradictory claims without any data or proof. I'm sorry, but your feeling/hunches/wishes aren't proof, and aren't truth. If you want to argue claims like that, you'll have to find some proof to back you up.

    Your government (who probably spends more time collecting facts and statistics than you do) says otherwise. If you have a source to back up your claim, please show it.

    Wow, that's rather convenient for you. I've seen some grade schoolers use the same tactic. It involves putting their fingers in their ears and saying "lalalalala I can't hear you".

    What exactly is "ridiculous and unfounded" about the Australian Institute of Criminology of the Australian Government? But since we're supposed to believe you over them, I'm sure we're all interested in your credentials.

    Here's another group that follows the same philosophy:
    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/
     
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    sremick Got lifeboat?

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    1) Making a claim and then saying "full stop" does not make it true. If you have proof/stats to this effect, please show it to us.

    2) As I said in the post immediately above this one: gun-control laws vary across the USA. There are states in the USA with gun-control as-restrictive if not more-restrictive as Australia. Those states have high-crime, which skews the country as a whole. There are states (such as mine) which have virtually no gun-control. Vermont is the 49th lowest-crime state in the USA per-capita. I don't doubt that looking back at the numbers and stats I've already posted will show that Vermont is safer than Australia.

    You know what one of the highest-crime parts of the USA is? Washington DC. Guess who has some of the strictest gun-control in the USA? Washington DC. Guess who's in the news right now about this very issue? Washington DC.

    This is an argument about gun laws and how they affect crime, not so much USA-vs-everyone-else, since USA gun laws are not uniform. If you want to analyze how gun laws affect crime-rates and public safety, you have to do in on the basis of a consistent application of those laws. Otherwise you are cherry-picking the data.

    It'd be like looking at the European Union as a whole, versus the unique laws of the individual countries.
     
  17. Diomedes

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    number one thing that is more dangerous than guns, macs. AndTHen? loves his own so probs thats why
     
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    AndThen? pull the trigger.

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    That doesn't mean they had a gun.


    If you want to go into the demographics of America that's fine, but I was talking about the COUNTRIES with ABSOLUTE (not just restrictive) gun control laws.

    What? The fact is that your country has more murders than countries such as mine. The stats have been posted in this thread.

    I responded to this before.

    Okay so I took it a bit far. I'm just saying, some of the sources are veeery ambiguous; for instance the one you posted about Adelaide.

    I wasn't talking about something you hadn't posted yet, I was talking about this. You can't back up the validity of that source.


    Ouch.
     
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    owlsgo czech me out.

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    i agree with emma.
    she's my new hero.
     
  20. Diomedes

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    and mine too :p

    wait she was always my hero
     

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