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The reason I hate hardcore

Discussion in 'Nintendo Wii Gaming' started by Caliko, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. Caliko

    Caliko I am Casual

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    This is why I don't consider myself "hardcore".

    [video=youtube;inelBzUNaxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inelBzUNaxs[/video]

    While this lame video might have most of you screaming, "TehL33TZ H@RdCoR3!!!!!!!!!!1" I think this is not only disgusting but the amount of blood is so exaggerated it kills the art of the game all together.
    Sadly many gamers thought this video was "sweet". Which makes me question how much I actually relate to this "hardcore" community....
     
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    I to hate hardcore

    Its just a load of noise
     
  3. Twilight Hero

    Twilight Hero Banned

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    That was an April Fool's prank. I didn't like it one bit though.
     
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    It was a joke. People didn't really react to that thinking it was real. It was just a big joke playing on those who want hard core games, nothing to stress over.
     
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    Dzapper Akatsuki Assassin

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    Yeah, but comedy is only effective if it holds some truth to it. This does acurrately depict how most "hardcore" gamers view "hardcore" games. In my opinion Metroid Prime 3 is the most hardcore game on Wii. It has complicated puzzles and an enemy difficulty which is not easily outsmarted. Yet most "hardcore" gamers would probably put Madworld over Metroid Prime 3 on the "hardcore" scale just because of the amount of blood and gore in the game. Nothing against Madworld, I'm sure its a very good game, but in the end it looks like a lot of mindless waggling and blood splatter. We need to truely redefine what hardcore is, cause it sure isn't bucket loads of blood splattering everywhere.
     
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    raisinghelen WiiChat Member

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    To say that Madworld is just 'mindless waggling and blood splatter' is vastly underrating the game. It is a very good game (partly due to the high production values), but it would be described as being 'hardcore' not just because of the violence but also because of the high difficulty level (especially on hard).

    It is at the top of 'hardcore' Wii games, along with Metroid Prime 3 which is also an awesome game. They are actually the 2 titles on the Wii that have kept me most gripped to them from start to finish, even more than SMG and Zelda:TP did.

    I do agree that most people only see M rated games as being 'hardcore' though.
     
  7. RivalDestiny

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    And I also don't like how people label themselves as casual. How about, you know, a gamer?

    If you can't enjoy both sides of the fence, you're just as bad.
     
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    opitekk Old School Master

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    yeah that was IGN's April Fools joke and it was ment to make fun of the lack of Wii's "Hardcore" games.

    Laugh cause it's funny.
     
  9. ROB64

    ROB64 40lb box of rape

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    That's almost as gay as the "blood" on No More Heroes.
     
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    TehL33TZ H@RdCoR3!!!!!!!!!!1 IDLOVEDTDGEARSANDTEHK!LLZOWN

    actually they are both good games, but seriously i thought the joke was better than the whole nextbox thing
     
  11. Squall7

    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    To be fair, I think this April Fools prank was probably known by everyone to be just that. Basing an entire discussion point and perspective on it seems a little off.

    I remember playing the original Mortal Kombat when I was around 8 or 9. I didn't think it was particularly 'mature'. I did like the fact that it was using realistic sprites, rather than Street Fighters cartoon-esque characters, and I always loved the idea of a finishing move, a special treat for those skilled enough to find out and then pull off a move that would literally destroy your opponent.

    I don't think it's about the blood and gore, I think it's the reasons why there is blood and gore in a game that is important. Mortal Kombat fits because it is meant to be a virtual fight to the death. Madworld fits because it's meant to be about a kill or be killed game show (which admittedly isn't exactly original, however the level of creativity to use your surrounding area to accomplish your spree is original).

    In short, it's never about the blood. The blood is just a tool to create a desperate situation in which a player must be lethal or risk being killed themselves.
     
  12. Groves

    Groves Groves@live.com

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    I'd be bothered if that blood was to be implemented into the game. I'd want it removed.
     
  13. Bio

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    If you're trying to prove to us why you don't consider yourself hardcore, this wasn't a very good way to do it. If you had an understanding of what "art" is in videogames, then you would simply accept that games were meant to go in certain art directions, and those with more hardcore directions are for gamers with different preferences. Putting blood in Smash is obviously offputting because it's not Smash's direction of presentation, not because you don't like hardcore. The video was supposed to kill game's integrity. The (April Fools') joke is in its irony.

    It does hold some truth to it. It pokes fun at the absurd mindset of most hardcore types who attract themselves to games with loaded blood and gore (Case in point: Several gamers have been complaining that the upcoming Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 has reduced its blood content). It doesn't at all define the behavior of all hardcores, but it definitely applies to many of them.

    Buckets 'o blood appeal is what we call a stereotype of the hardcore community. And stereotypes always hold an ounce of truth.
     
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    Squall7 A li'l bit different

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    Can I just say, that Conker's Bad Fur Day was awesome. The art direction was more cartoonish, but the humour was adult and there was blood.

    I would say that it's not a case of art styles, its a case of the intended audience/s. The reason a bloody smash bros wouldn't work is because of the characters and intended audience (i.e. playable for everyone). That and the fact that none of the other Nintendo based characters really have too much blood in them anyway (and they can all perish), and so they don't really keep in with the characters themselves.

    Now if Nintendo used a completely new bunch of characters and made them to have bloody fisticuffs, I can imagine that being actually quite good. I can also imagine there would be less voices of opposition (although I think most people took the video for what it is: a humorous April Fool's prank).
     
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    <<A gamer thats sick of all this "Hardcore" game shite
    Instead of worrying if a game is hardcore or not just play it and enjoy it after all who would want to play a game they hate? (ok game.com games aside)
    Treasure have been known to make games that have fallen into the "Hardcore" section and yet theres no blood in them and there cartoony and for the most part really good fun to play (The level three boss in Gunstar heros is possibly the best ever)
    Then on the ofter hand theres Wii sports
    Every body that has a Wii has or has had a copy of it
    Its not "hardcore" but its "fun" (ok its better with freinds) and thats all that counts really

    The only time when I like the word "hardcore" being used is when its to do with porn
    The strange thing was
    Blood from teddys?
    Id like to see blood in the first smash brothers
    Toys getting all boody
    Oh its like that time I didnt go into a nusery with a chainsaw and a surge of murderus intent awakend with in me
     
  16. Caliko

    Caliko I am Casual

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    I know it was a joke, that's not the point of this thread.

    Thank you

    No I wasn't. Read again.

    There ya go. That's my point.

    Nice. I can't even walk into a damn gamestop and shop freely anymore without some idiot pointing out that this and this game is rated E so its not hardcore, and that I should buy this game cause "It has tons of blood bro! Plus ITS RATED M TOO!!!"
     
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    I have my music on so I cant hear them

    Best way to talk to them is say "Dose that make Thrill kill/Katsumi Ninja one of the most hardcore games ever then?"
    Then say "im not your bro" (Even tho its mostly the word "mate" over ere)

    Blood and a "18/M" thing on the box never makes it good
     
  18. Bio

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    Ah. My bad, man.
     
  19. bananaboat

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    Blood, gore, and violence, doesn't make a game "hardcore". Now if a game requires a lot of skills, then I'd say you can classify it as "hardcore." For example, if you think about MadWorld on the Wii, the game can be characterized as "hardcore" not for its violence and bloodshed, but the rigor and challenge that is involved in the game itself.
     
  20. Nihilism

    Nihilism Wiizard

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    SSBB is as close to casual as a fighting has ever gotten. And hardcore games aren't games with blood in them, they're games with challenge and progressive artistry in them.
     

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