RPGMasterTurk91
Turkish RPG Master
I'm here to bring up another interesting/controversial topic that could very well turn out as a worthy debate!
The topic is: The Concept of Pride with Ethnicity/Nationality.
Allow me to elaborate on this topic:
Many people are proud to be a certain nationality or nationalities. They are usually taught by their parents along with the society that THEIR nationality is the best in the world, literally superior to all others. Interestingly enough, those other nationalities that are passed off as "inferior" also suffer from the same complex: They too feel that they have THE best lifestyle and laws and especially--history.
My conclusion to such a matter is that people need to fill their lives with drama and even a sense of superiority--it actually them feel good.
Lets take the case with Italians in America--many of them feel "historically" or "culturally" superior to others. "Hey cool, I'm Italian! That automatically sets me to a certain level of "coolness" no matter what I do!" is the feel many Italian-Americans get, and it is true that many people want to "be" like them. Nothing against Italians, but most of their popularity in American pop culture comes from Americanized versions of their food as well as Hollywood, which seems to exaggerate every which thing it comes across. Italians don't seem to have a problem with the floating stereotypes because they are generally positive. I want to make it clear that I have nothing against Italians or any nationality for that matter whatsoever. If I did, this whole topic would be contradict anything I say.
At the same time, it annoys me to no end when people--especially white Americans--do not know or care to know about their background. These are the people who tell you that they are "White American" and who sometimes say "Well I guess English" simply because of the fact that they speak English due to being brought up with it; virtually every such person speaks only English.
I am 100% Turkish, and am proud of it in the sense that my ancestors have had a glorious, rich history, our food is one of the best cuisines in the world (tied in 3rd with Chinese cuisine), and our people are some of the most hospitable in the world, thanks to the culture. At the same time I am not ashamed to admit any of the mistakes or disgusting faults my ancestors might have had. Anyone who thinks that they can change history to make it sound good because it was "their people" is nothing short of a fool.
I wrote about this topic after I saw a video on YouTube. The video showed a confused and suspicious crowd in Turkey with no security measures taken (the whole situation was vague). About a dozen people or so crowded around a suspicious looking bag out of curiosity, when it eventually exploded. Turkey has been victim to many bombings and terrorist actions from outside sources such as the PKK and Armenian Terrorist Groups, who all claim to be Freedom Fighters themselves; while they're actions are unjustified, I have come to know that terrorism is overall bred from an injustice done to a group of people, and is certainly not limited to strictly crazy-minded individuals with unclear agendas.
Ok so basically, I read through the comments of this video, and quickly found one that was obviously from an excited (due to the reality of the occurrence) and very proud Greek, spartanHoplite7:
"hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha they got what they deserve gay turks stupid apes hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah kemalgay"
While this fellow certainly does not represent the though process of all Greeks, it is true that many Greeks have a deep hatred for Turks, rooted in historical conflicts. Please don't give me points on which side is right or wrong, or who has the right to be angry: that's the point of my discussion, this "born hatred" is something people are TAUGHT, and whose side each person stays on is based almost ENTIRELY on what they have been taught--that their own people are innocent and all others guilty of heinous crimes. Anyways, this excited Greek was obviously very entertained at the fact that it was "Turks" who died and fell victims to such an unfortunate event--he enjoyed watching every moment of it and felt no remorse. How a human being can be made into a heartless one is an amazing thing..anyways, for those of you who don't know: his comment attacked the most well-known and loved man in Turkish history, Kemal Ataturk; he referred to all Turks as apes, implying that "his people" were at least human, if not angels. Now without further ado...
My response was, in all of 500 characters:
"Looks like your parents taught you everything you know, and they did a damn well job instilling everything they have fun doing into your puny brain. Your pride disgusts me, you have been desensitized to the point where you laugh at an unfortunate event that took place, because it was inflicted on the Turks. IDC if ur Greek--neither you or I are responsible for the history of our respective ancestors and should not be so proud of something that came out of chance and not choice--nationality."
I have read other comments on various videos and websites; people angrily expressing themselves, labeling people things like:"Serbian dogs", or "Albanian PIGS", "Armenian dogs", "Turkish Pigs/Bastards", "British assholes", "Dam Frenchies", etc., etc....the list goes on and is absolutely not limited to unresolved European conflicts. Take North Korea and South Korea--is it just a coincidence that residents of their respective nations tend to carry an intense hatred for the other, or has society had a profound and very obvious affect on the way the people think and view the world and others including their own people?
Finally, my main point is that people carry all this pride--it gives them meaning to their lives, people actually ENJOY tension and would stop at nothing to make it so that "their side" is winning (it's a gamble, you're either gonna be miserable, or falsely/temporarily excited). What one's ancestor's did is NOT related to what YOU can do. We've all seen or heard be it on television or in real life of people angrily shouting "YOU killed my people, etc." In reality, that specific group of people did nothing to them, rather it was a historical conflict. Still, both groups are playing the same game and carry a violent hatred towards one another, even though the roots are in historical conflicts--resolved or not.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgmjL6z2jY[/ame]
The topic is: The Concept of Pride with Ethnicity/Nationality.
Allow me to elaborate on this topic:
Many people are proud to be a certain nationality or nationalities. They are usually taught by their parents along with the society that THEIR nationality is the best in the world, literally superior to all others. Interestingly enough, those other nationalities that are passed off as "inferior" also suffer from the same complex: They too feel that they have THE best lifestyle and laws and especially--history.
My conclusion to such a matter is that people need to fill their lives with drama and even a sense of superiority--it actually them feel good.
Lets take the case with Italians in America--many of them feel "historically" or "culturally" superior to others. "Hey cool, I'm Italian! That automatically sets me to a certain level of "coolness" no matter what I do!" is the feel many Italian-Americans get, and it is true that many people want to "be" like them. Nothing against Italians, but most of their popularity in American pop culture comes from Americanized versions of their food as well as Hollywood, which seems to exaggerate every which thing it comes across. Italians don't seem to have a problem with the floating stereotypes because they are generally positive. I want to make it clear that I have nothing against Italians or any nationality for that matter whatsoever. If I did, this whole topic would be contradict anything I say.
At the same time, it annoys me to no end when people--especially white Americans--do not know or care to know about their background. These are the people who tell you that they are "White American" and who sometimes say "Well I guess English" simply because of the fact that they speak English due to being brought up with it; virtually every such person speaks only English.
I am 100% Turkish, and am proud of it in the sense that my ancestors have had a glorious, rich history, our food is one of the best cuisines in the world (tied in 3rd with Chinese cuisine), and our people are some of the most hospitable in the world, thanks to the culture. At the same time I am not ashamed to admit any of the mistakes or disgusting faults my ancestors might have had. Anyone who thinks that they can change history to make it sound good because it was "their people" is nothing short of a fool.
I wrote about this topic after I saw a video on YouTube. The video showed a confused and suspicious crowd in Turkey with no security measures taken (the whole situation was vague). About a dozen people or so crowded around a suspicious looking bag out of curiosity, when it eventually exploded. Turkey has been victim to many bombings and terrorist actions from outside sources such as the PKK and Armenian Terrorist Groups, who all claim to be Freedom Fighters themselves; while they're actions are unjustified, I have come to know that terrorism is overall bred from an injustice done to a group of people, and is certainly not limited to strictly crazy-minded individuals with unclear agendas.
Ok so basically, I read through the comments of this video, and quickly found one that was obviously from an excited (due to the reality of the occurrence) and very proud Greek, spartanHoplite7:
"hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha they got what they deserve gay turks stupid apes hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah kemalgay"
While this fellow certainly does not represent the though process of all Greeks, it is true that many Greeks have a deep hatred for Turks, rooted in historical conflicts. Please don't give me points on which side is right or wrong, or who has the right to be angry: that's the point of my discussion, this "born hatred" is something people are TAUGHT, and whose side each person stays on is based almost ENTIRELY on what they have been taught--that their own people are innocent and all others guilty of heinous crimes. Anyways, this excited Greek was obviously very entertained at the fact that it was "Turks" who died and fell victims to such an unfortunate event--he enjoyed watching every moment of it and felt no remorse. How a human being can be made into a heartless one is an amazing thing..anyways, for those of you who don't know: his comment attacked the most well-known and loved man in Turkish history, Kemal Ataturk; he referred to all Turks as apes, implying that "his people" were at least human, if not angels. Now without further ado...
My response was, in all of 500 characters:
"Looks like your parents taught you everything you know, and they did a damn well job instilling everything they have fun doing into your puny brain. Your pride disgusts me, you have been desensitized to the point where you laugh at an unfortunate event that took place, because it was inflicted on the Turks. IDC if ur Greek--neither you or I are responsible for the history of our respective ancestors and should not be so proud of something that came out of chance and not choice--nationality."
I have read other comments on various videos and websites; people angrily expressing themselves, labeling people things like:"Serbian dogs", or "Albanian PIGS", "Armenian dogs", "Turkish Pigs/Bastards", "British assholes", "Dam Frenchies", etc., etc....the list goes on and is absolutely not limited to unresolved European conflicts. Take North Korea and South Korea--is it just a coincidence that residents of their respective nations tend to carry an intense hatred for the other, or has society had a profound and very obvious affect on the way the people think and view the world and others including their own people?
Finally, my main point is that people carry all this pride--it gives them meaning to their lives, people actually ENJOY tension and would stop at nothing to make it so that "their side" is winning (it's a gamble, you're either gonna be miserable, or falsely/temporarily excited). What one's ancestor's did is NOT related to what YOU can do. We've all seen or heard be it on television or in real life of people angrily shouting "YOU killed my people, etc." In reality, that specific group of people did nothing to them, rather it was a historical conflict. Still, both groups are playing the same game and carry a violent hatred towards one another, even though the roots are in historical conflicts--resolved or not.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgmjL6z2jY[/ame]
Last edited: