Reasons people haven't come up with for why the PS3 is a failure.

[Thundercun7]

Like I said, they dont make great new games. If it doesnt have Mario, Zelda, Metriod, ect. in the title, its probably not going to be good.

NEW

1. of recent origin, production, purchase, etc.; having but lately come or been brought into being: a new book.

2. of a kind now existing or appearing for the first time; novel: a new concept of the universe.

So when Twilight Princess came out on the Wii. It was clearly in fact
"of recent origin".
As It did not exist 20 years or so ago when the first Zelda game was released on the NES.
So by a Dictionary definition of NEW. It's been proven that your statement of "don't make great new games" Is indeed false.
Assuming that you agree With IGN, Gamespot, gamefaqs, 1up.com ect. Who have all rated the game extremely highly.
And, after all as i've already mentioned they know a lot more about games than i or you do.

They made brilliant games in the past, the past, the past past pastpastpastpastpast. I agreed, i even said so. I said, "They dont make great new 'new' "NEW" games" I am repeating myself in hopes you understand what im saying this time. Your probably just a slow learner, and thats ok.

I'm not going to sink to your level and start slinging mud around. Grow up.

Im sure of what i said. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles. They dont make great new original titles.

Stop being childish.

 

[---Brian---]

No

Great games like

Super Mario 64
greatest games of all time list
number 2
Number 5

Super Mario Bros
greatest games of all time list
Number 1

The legend of Zelda: Oricana of time
greatest games of all time list
number 5
number 2
Pokemon Red/Green
greatest games of all time list
number 3

Super Mario kart
greatest games of all time list
Number 7


Goldeneye 007
greatest games of all time list
Number 8

Super Metroid
greatest games of all time list
number 10


High scores in multiple reviews

As of May 2007, the top 10 games listed on Game Rankings, a site which averages scores awarded by numerous websites and magazines, are: [1]

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Nintendo 64 (97.7%)
2. Soul Calibur, Sega Dreamcast (96.4%)
3. Metroid Prime, Nintendo GameCube (96.4%)
4. Resident Evil 4, Nintendo GameCube (95.8%)
5. GoldenEye 007, Nintendo 64 (95.8%)
6. Super Mario 64, Nintendo 64 (95.7%)
7. Resident Evil 4, PlayStation 2 (95.7%)
8. Half-Life 2, PC (95.6%)
9. Halo: Combat Evolved, Xbox (95.6%)
10. Tekken 3, PlayStation (95.6%)

As of May 2007, according to GameStats [2], the top 10 video games of all time are:

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Nintendo 64 (9.8)
2. Soul Calibur, Sega Dreamcast (9.7)
3. Resident Evil 4, Nintendo GameCube (9.7)
4. Metal Gear Solid, PlayStation (9.6)
5. GoldenEye 007, Nintendo 64 (9.6)
6. Half-Life 2, PC (9.5)
7. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Nintendo GameCube (9.5)
8. Halo: Combat Evolved, Xbox (9.5)
9. Resident Evil 4, PS2 (9.4)
10. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, Playstation 2 (9.4)

As of January 2007, the top 10 games on Metacritic, are: [3]

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Nintendo 64 (99)
2. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, PlayStation (98)
3. Soul Calibur, Sega Dreamcast (98)
4. Perfect Dark, Nintendo 64 (97)
5. NFL 2K1, Sega Dreamcast (97)
6. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, PlayStation 2 (97)
7. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Sega Dreamcast (97)
8. Halo: Combat Evolved, Xbox (97)
9. Metroid Prime, Nintendo GameCube (97)
10. Grand Theft Auto III, Playstation 2 (97)

Yes, thats all fine and dandy but i think you'll find i was talking about the Wii, not 20 years of Nintendo gaming. Yeah most of those games a good, but were any of them actually intended to be released for the Wii, honestly, learn to read.

 

[---Brian---]

You mentioned bad games for the Wii..why don't you mention games like SSBB, and Super Mario gALAXY, or Disaster, Metroid etc. because most of you prefer PS and XB

I think you will find none of those games have been released for the Wii yet, so there's no guarantee they will be "good games", i defiantly beleave SSBB will be a great game to play with your freinds, but Mario, just no, since Mario for the super nintendo they have just got worst and worst and more and more repetitive, BORING! to say the least. Metroid, may buy that but why when i have games like Resistance and Haze for Fps? Disaster does look like a good game, running away from natural disasters or something, thats roughly the story line i belive. Thats a game im thinking of buying as it is an exclusive, not another Mario re-make which i got fed up with when i hit puberty.:shocked: Ohh and your right, i do prefer my Ps3, but i still own a Wii so i am allowed to say which one i prefer as i own both and have played them, You say the Ps3 is crap and you havent even played it, thats fanboyism at its best.

 

[Thundercun7]

Yes, thats all fine and dandy but i think you'll find i was talking about the Wii, not 20 years of Nintendo gaming. Yeah most of those games a good, but were any of them actually intended to be released for the Wii, honestly, learn to read.

Yeah and devs for Nintendo really put a lot into their games?

If you make a broad brush statement. Then you are opening yourself up to many different interpretations.
I i was you i would stop making mass generalizations. Then people are less likely to misunderstand you.

 

[GamerCon]

Fine, ill draw you a picture.

NES= New games. First Mario, Zelda, Metriod.

SNES= Old games with a slight, slight story change.

N64= Old games with a slight story change.

GC= Old story with a slight change. Super Mario Sunshine was an exception, didnt like the way it went though.

Wii= Yet to be determined. No, Zelda TP was developed originally on GC and ported to Wii.

I could go into detail about how minor the story changes were, but anyone whos played them already knows. Final Fantasy may be an ongoing series, but at least Final Fantasy 12 wasnt Final Fantasy 1.

Ill expand on that. Final Fantasy, unlike Mario, doesnt use the same characters or story. Each one is unique in a lot of ways, even the battle system changes.

 

[---Brian---]

I don't really see anything original about Squares games. Its like they have a cookie cutter they use for FF games and the use the same one on the others. Just different Names and stuff. They focus on RPGs and they really are all very similar. Not dissing the Dev just saying they arent as original as you imply.
As far as originality.. Has anybody played Shadow of the Colossus?? I thought that was awesome, definitely a different game, Beautiful for a PS2 game too. I dk some ppl might not like it but it was a breath of fresh air for me.

Amazing game, but i disagree about your comment on FF games. They always change the story lines completly, some of the orignalaty they come up with in each FF game is thenomenal. FF9 in particular was just amazing, many people will disagree but i think that was the best FF ever, i just love how the story line progresses in FF, it's something else.

 

[XwiimasturX]

Mario Mario Mario Mario, Zelda Zelda Zelda Zelda Zelda, Pokemon Red/Green (Remake), GoldenEye 007 GoldenEye 007 GoldenEye 007, Metriod Metriod Metriod, Resident Evil 4 Resident Evil 4, Perfect Dark (Thats one original title).

So only one game didnt derive from another. Only three games werent part of Nintendo's mascoteries. Nintendo likes to recycle, they are not known for great original titles.

thats the most biased and arrogant statement i've seen on wiichat so far.

its ridiculous.

all of those games are killer apps and wonderful games.



by your logic, franchises cant be good. and that isnt true.

the word recycle means making something NEW out of something old.

get that? NEW.

you said they arent known for great original titles. Last time i checked, nintendo WAS THE ONE TO CREATE mario, zelda, metroid etc.

what about disaster and all those other games that nintendo has announced.



and to the original poster.
the ps3 is failing because its losing all its exclusives.

it has, what, like two good games out right now?
Resistance and oblivion. Oblivion is out on the xbox and its losing its future titles like DMC4, and now possibly MGS4 *rumor based on lack of ps3 logo in new trailer* and assassin's creed

 

[RDBRaptor]

Really?? I remember when we needed to move from floppy's to CD and CD's to DVD. It was usually around the time the majority of games were using several of each media to get the game to us.

Where are the 3-5 disc DVD games? Vanguard is currently the only one that comes to mind, but maybe you could show us the huge numbers of videogames requiring this much space.

Here's a rebuttal to this I would like to state that Halo 3 will be using at least two DVDs, GTA IV may be using multiple DVDs, if Metal Gear Solid IV is every going to go to the 360 that will also require multiple DVDs, and pretty much any port coming from the PS3 is going to require more DVDs.

 

[Thundercun7]

Fine, ill draw you a picture.

NES= New games. First Mario, Zelda, Metriod.

SNES= Old games with a slight, slight story change.

N64= Old games with a slight story change.

GC= Old story with a slight change. Super Mario Sunshine was an exception, didnt like the way it went though.

Right, so even though Mario sunshine changed the formula fairly substantially, perhaps enough to be called 'original' by your definition, you didn't like the way it went.

This is what I'm talking about, the tried and tested formulas work well in a franchise, its what keeps gamers coming back for more, even on the 5th 6th or 7th installments.
I think that the fact Nintendo can keep so many generations of games at such a high quality (even if plot lines/ story's are completely rehashed). If they can still make these already used ideas seem fresh, then is'nt that even more of a testament to Nintendo than anything else?
I think so.

Wii= Yet to be determined. No, Zelda TP was developed originally on GC and ported to Wii.

Ah true, It's a good indication of things to come though.

I could go into detail about how minor the story changes were, but anyone whos played them already knows. Final Fantasy may be an ongoing series, but at least Final Fantasy 12 wasnt Final Fantasy 1.

Ill expand on that. Final Fantasy, unlike Mario, doesnt use the same characters or story. Each one is unique in a lot of ways, even the battle system changes.

Lets look at Zelda for example

1. The Legend of Zelda - big hit

2. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link -step away from original formula - trys new game play approach, isn't nearly as good- dosen't do as well

3.A Link To the past - Expands on original Formula - less original yes, but credited as one of the best game of all time

4.Oricana of time -Used old formula in brand new way - 3D- Epic game, nuff said

5.Majoras mask- step away from oricana's successful formula - good game but not nearly as good As oricana-doesn't do as well

I could go on here, but you understand what i'm trying to say right? Nintendo has often taken steps into newer, more original ways of presenting their games even with classic franchises like Zelda . But these steps are ofen met with criticism. Fans want the original, better.

 

[Ancestor]

1. Blue ray is going to fail to dvd? But blue ray is the upgrade of dvd. Was DVD going to fail to CD? and in turn CD to fail to VHS? and VHS fail to floppy disk?

How old are you? Have you been around when DVD players were first introduced? Guess how much they costs? yep. A LOT. The PS3 is not overly expensive, sorry and its not blue ray thats making the PS3 out of range for grubbly little fingers. Thats just a sad excuse used by kids who dont know any better.

Hate to tell you that not only is blue ray practically being given to you in the PS3, but blue ray discs are more cost efficant than producing multiple dvds. You got it all backwards kiddo.

I think you are mixing media types too much and making this too general.

First of all VHS - Floppy. VHS was never raw data medium and floppy was never video medium. What floppy actually replaced was tapes as a data medium. And VHS with infamous Beta where first ones to for as a video medium in home usage. Then CD. I think success of CD was because music industry took it under it wing as it was big upgrade to tapes no rewinding and much clearer sound and more durable if hold correctly. Allso taken by gaming industry as it was really hard to copy at early point and bigger space for games. Then DVD witch was at first allmost only to film industry when they needet same kind upgrade from VHS/Tapes to DVD/CD meaning on rewinding and seeking and better quality video/sound. DVD was pretty late to come gaming after PS2 with obvious benefit of bigger storage.

And my oppinions on these HD mediums. I think neither of them will become as general medium. It may be that one of them might mostlikely come in top of gaming brach if developers really start to need bigger space (and it won't become too expensive to fill that space compared to profit). But I think general audience will not take HD as their next big thing as one thing they get from it is better video and sound with new expensive television and sound system. I think most of general audience is not willing to spent on those and it does not offer something radical for movies or music liek it was case with CD/DVD no rewinding, allmost instant seek ect. thats why non tech people relly don't see any reason getting either of theses new mediums. I mean thing your self as a 45years old non hi tech man who sees add "Experience black as you have never seen before" most likely he goes fast by it thinking "what the hell I can see black allready I have allways been able to see black even on time of black and white" or maybe "new vibrant colors with ..." and there goes our average dude again "Colours? 2000$+ for colours? what is wrong with colours we have allready?". Point is average customer does not see the point that is "wrong" with old medium (DVD) and it is so bad that needs an urgent upgrade.

I know it's a shooting way side of topic since what happens with gaming and new mediums is anyones guess though it really does not feel too good for neither if they can only get bigger in only one brach. Well floppy did it so maybe one of HD mediums does it too.

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Blue Ray might win the HD format war, it may not. But would anybody who's smart about they're money want to spend a considerable amount on a format that hasn't proved itself?

Why not? In order for a format to become successful and prove itself someone has to buy it. By your logic, we should all be listening to transistor radios, watching heavy black and white tube televisions with rabbit ears, and still riding around in horse and buggy's. Technophiles feed the frenzy that creates an interest in a product.

Just because Sony's track record from proprietary products hasn't been the best doesn't mean BluRay will fail. Doesn't mean it will be the winner of this format paradigm either. Beta failed for a few reasons in the consumer market. It was bulkier and more restrictive. Sony is very strict about what companies can press on their media. VHS took a lead over Beta after the adult industry embraced it. Sony had banned the industry from selling porn in Beta format. That shouldn't be as big of a deal now as most adult content is now viewed and purchased online.

Back to my point, if no one spends "a considerable amount" on a new format, we are stuck with what we have. Currently it would be up to 14GB of storgage space on a disc.

Personally, I'm waiting for the disc to go away and hard drives take over. You can get 750GB hard drives for a fairly decent price right now, and that will continue to get better. It is the future, some cars already use a hard drive for mp3s and navigation systems.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=118989/pageId=117290

Read the second to last paragraph. I know the nav system is a bit large, but its the start of the next big thing.

 

[fatalorgasm92]

LOL
DON't Be ingorant People!!

Enough of this Blu-ray Fighting!!!!
WHO INVENTED THE CD ALONG WITH PHILIPS???????
SONY DID My bet is on them
and since JVC isn't in the battle to beat out sony i think they will do just fine.
For you retards who don't know jvc made the vhs and beat out sonys betamax. I don't think Sony is that threatened by NEC and Toshiba....

BTW Great Job on being a bunch of pussys Microsoft!!
Can i personally think of any gaming company that Supported another companies console fully before ?? No , so Microsoft is such a twat they are going to suck up to Nintendo since the Wii is dominating..... by all means BOW DOWN TO NINTENDO bill gates go the **** ahead. your still a pussy though.

 

[Shoko]

LOL
DON't Be ingorant People!!

Enough of this Blu-ray Fighting!!!!
WHO INVENTED THE CD ALONG WITH PHILIPS???????
SONY DID My bet is on them
and since JVC isn't in the battle to beat out sony i think they will do just fine.
For you retards who don't know jvc made the vhs and beat out sonys betamax. I don't think Sony is that threatened by NEC and Toshiba....

BTW Great Job on being a bunch of pussys Microsoft!!
Can i personally think of any gaming company that Supported another companies console fully before ?? No , so Microsoft is such a twat they are going to suck up to Nintendo since the Wii is dominating..... by all means BOW DOWN TO NINTENDO bill gates go the **** ahead. your still a pussy though.

well said lol

 

[Sovieto]

Ouch...

Yah, I have no heart.

 

[Monsteroids]

well these

are out selling GBA's 100:1. So what does that say about the GBA?

My point is, the gba cannot be compared to the PS3. Doing so just means you are really reaching for an excuse. The bga is a cheap portable hand held device, much like those vibrators, the PS3 is not. The PS3 is about 2000 times more powerful and thus costs more. The childrens market is huge. Parents are more willing to drop a few bucks on something to shut up their kids in the back of the car, than spend money on something like the PS3 that is not portable and not for kids.

The PS3 is for people who take gaming so seriously they have no life then you say? I agree! Yay, you blew off someones head. NEWSFLASH: THAT IS NOT WORTH 1000 freaking dollars! Lets see what productive things you can do with that money: Buy Adobe Flash and get a good book to learn how to use it! Get a new computer. Computers can take you further in life than a PS3. Learn how to draw, paint, do a computer language, even going to a museum is worth more for taking you further in life than a PS3. Only an idiot will invest that much in such a dumb FAD!!!! Arrrrggghhhh I can't understand you people!!! Do you have no life, no talents, no knowledge, no real skill???? WHY DO YOU SPEND THAT MUCH ON A FAD?!!!!!

That commercial was for a magazine genius. Go on youtube and you will find your commercials with game play. Sony's marketing campaign hasnt really even started yet. Unlike Microsoft and Nintey, they havent really tried. It appears they are waiting till some of their big projects wrap up. Which is smart. Why advertise a product when the big games and projects are still in developement.

Nice try.


The FPS market is bigger than the RPG market outside of japan. Studies show the casual gamer prefers quick pick up and play games that involve a lot of action. The FF series takes patience.

"Hardcore" FPS Fans are mindless undergrads. They'll fail their community college course and then they'll slowly die. I'm glad the Japanese are smart! :lol: Sometimes a gem game will come along with an intriguing story like Halo. That keeps the letters FPS from burning my ears.

Then you have to consider that very little is known about the next FF game, where as a bit has been around for Halo. It really doesnt say much. Microsoft will push halo3 hard because it means they get extra money for all those online players.

Okay now I'll agree here because I like Halo.

The idea isnt bad, its no different than what nintendo tried to do with super smash bros. But i have to agree, it wasnt really a well polished game.


No different than the Wii's lineup. A nice look on gamespot.com shows that half the games they are advertising are old VC games. No one said that the launch titles were strong, they usually are not. Good games take years to develope. Exclusives arnt everything, take for example.. The Darkness is coming out on the PS3 and the 360. ONly the PS3 can have more content than the 360 version, and it does. Sony doesnt feel it needs to pay up the ass for those exclusives when they feel the free internet, bigger storage medium and online bonuses are incentive enough to get a multiplatform game on the ps3.

Go ahead and look at the upcoming games coming out this year and you will have your answer. Theres a strong lineup of exclusive and desirable games just around the corner.

Nice try.


Actually the games developed on the Wii are very simple. Theres only so much you can do with the 700mhz system. Its quite easy for ninty to pump out games like wii sports, paper mario, wario ware. Dont expect too much out of the wii and you will be happy.

Just how it is.

Thats not that bad. I'm not looking to die weighing 300 pounds having Grand Theft Auto playing a more graphical "hot coffee" on my T.V. screen. :lol:

I like the old Mario, Link, Samus, and now Pit kickin' each other's butts for about 10minutes to like 2 hours of my day. So maybe I'm a know nothing "loser" who is "stuck" with an uncool system, gotcha there, PS3 is so "cool" isn't it? I'll admit that I can't afford it, you rich Hollywood scum! I also feel that I am beyond it though. I can find pleasure in simple things. Kororinpa is fun for ages while Resistance is disgusting, boring, and kinda dissapointing(played 'em both). Halo is great and I may buy a used Xbox and play the first two and Fable. I suppose I'm stuck with the simple Mario Galaxy, SSBB, RE:4, RE:UC, HAMMER, Disaster, etc. I'm saying: FUN FATOR, MONEY, AND BEING PRODUCTIVE!!! DON'T BE SO MATIERIALISTIC!!!!!!!!!