Why I think PS3 will come out on top.

[Shiftfallout]

ut:

It's all relative mate. Believe it or not, but price is a factor. A HUGE one. It's the reason I don't drive a Porsche. I make a pretty penny, but I don't waste it. Saying that anyone who can't afford a $600 game should move it is very insulting. I know many people who are barely paying their bills (and even more in debt). Who says they shouldn't be able to have a little fun? And obviously, moving out of your parents basement would be a step in the wrong direction financially. Your chump change is another persons savings.

699 (CAD) is seriously approaching the price of a new entry-level PC. I would buy a Wii for myself and a friend before buying a PS3.

No I agree with you, I said in one of those post that $600 dollar machine might not be worth it for a person. That is fine, but saying $600 is a lot of money is childish. You can afford a porche, but it doesnt mean you have to buy one or that it is worth it. Thats my stance, but these guys will argue with me no matter what i say, its just how they work. Its not the first time nor will it be the last they do this.

 

[BrandonMcAuslan]

How does moving "out" of your parents home give you more disposable cash? ut:

Between food - clothes - mortgage payments - national insurance - income tax - council tax - home insurance - car insurance - car payments - fuel - Spending £450+ on a games console takes backseat priority. Sure if you "live" for games - you are gonna get one. But I also socialize with friends - which costs money - I see movies - go on holidays - that £450 means something - its not chump change.

 

[Squall7]

...but saying $600 is a lot of money is childish.

Wrong. It's realistic. If I don't earn enough money to get £425 in disposable income then you're not going to get a PS3. Your cavalier attitude towards anyone that cannot afford a PS3 is dispicable. You've shown over the past few days that you don't know about the world as much as you think you do.

You can afford a porche, but it doesnt mean you have to buy one or that it is worth it.

Some people cannot afford one though. It's those people you're marginalising.

Thats my stance, but these guys will argue with me no matter what i say, its just how they work.

Okay, let me tell you how you work now, you work on a system of non-understanding how anyone can be different to you. You assume (using your language with connotations and denotations) that you're above everyone else, reducing other people's arguements to "mere opinions" and "fanboyism", whereas you put your own opinions as "truth" and never acknowledge anyone else's opinions as equal to your own, despite your logic being often flawed (the analogy with cars for example).

Its not the first time nor will it be the last they do this.

So long as you're being unfair to people (Hotpotato for example), there will always be backlash.

 

[Shiftfallout]

How does moving "out" of your parents home give you more disposable cash? ut:

As the fanboy hits the fan. Like this, its a phrase not meant to be taken literally but conote the idea of "growing up". Im sorry you take everything literally, you think some things through next time. If you were looking for backing to make you look better, you might want to pick better next time. =)

Between food - clothes - mortgage payments - national insurance - income tax - council tax - home insurance - car insurance - car payments - fuel - Spending £450+ on a games console takes backseat priority. Sure if you "live" for games - you are gonna get one. But I also socialize with friends - which costs money - I see movies - go on holidays - that £450 means something - its not chump change.

So, you just proved my point while whining about it. If you are paying all that, you would KNOW that its not a large sum of money.

DO NOT say its a lot when you CHOOSE how to spend it. Basically, You choose how to divide and spend your money, but the price of the PS3 is not a lot. It should not be blamed for HOW you choose to spend it.

Its like a kid who has 5 dollars, and he heads off to the toy store, but along the way he buys candy and then a comic. At the toy store he sees that toy he wanted and its 4.50. But now he doesnt have enough because he divided his money and used it for other things. Does he then say, damn this toy is too expensive? Probably because he wanted it all without having the wisdom on how to spend it. Thats how you guys sound.

If you are spreading out your income, and wanting to do EVERYTHING but not making any sacrifices, like the little kid you will be left short changed. Dont say the PS3 is too much if you have the inability to manage your money. No matter what you say, The ps3s price, is not.. in an adult world... expensive. ITs not a lot of money.

 

[WiiZero]

Squall your points are stupid a gaming console is a want not a need and for people strugling with money the difference between a $400 video game console and a $500 video game console is not that much they would look at both as a lot of money

 

[Shiftfallout]

Wrong. It's realistic. If I don't earn enough money to get £425 in disposable income then you're not going to get a PS3. Your cavalier attitude towards anyone that cannot afford a PS3 is dispicable. You've shown over the past few days that you don't know about the world as much as you think you do.

In the free world, no its not a lot of money. OBVIOUSLY if you dont work or MAKE AN EFFORT and use your head to get more income, then it will be tough. People tend to complain about what they are not willing to earn.

I do not have anything against anyone that says they cant afford it. But this is what I do have a problem with, people who complain because they refuse or cannot buy it. You know how many times I hear "omg the ps3 is so expensive, its worth like.. 200 at most." Its just retarded.

The truth is, people want what they cant get, and complain why they cant get it, when the problem is theirs and not the products. No matter how much they complain the PS3 is too much, ITS NOT. It might not be worth it to them, but if you are a working adult, $600 should not be a lot of money. Especially if you are trying to make more money. Obviously the guy who refuses to grow up and works lazily at the local supermarket not really trying to move up in life wont make a lot of money. Its the mind set thats the problem. Get realistic. Convenient complaints to fit ones lifestyle is what I am hearing, the problem is their life style and way of thinking, not the price of the PS3.

Some people cannot afford one though. It's those people you're marginalising.

Where did i say everyone should have one? A lot of people complain about what they cannot have. The problem is with the person thats not willing to work to get what they want. If you cannot manage your money, that doesnt make $600/450e a lot of money. Its really not that much.

Again if you divide your income and dont spend it wisely, obviously you wont be left with much to blow it on. My argument remains the same, its NOT a lot of money, the problem is with the person and not the money sign.

Okay, let me tell you how you work now, you work on a system of non-understanding how anyone can be different to you. You assume (using your language with connotations and denotations) that you're above everyone else, reducing other people's arguements to "mere opinions" and "fanboyism", whereas you put your own opinions as "truth" and never acknowledge anyone else's opinions as equal to your own, despite your logic being often flawed (the analogy with cars for example).

You are entitled to YOUR opinion. I disagree but hey, believe whatever you want champ. =)

So long as you're being unfair to people (Hotpotato for example), there will always be backlash.

Now you are saying I am being unfair? On a forum? Hotpotato? Really now. All I am doing is making a realistic claim, backing it up and debating it. HOW does this equal unfairness? Do you walk into a debate and say "you are being unfair for defending your point"? I think not.

My stance is fair. If you think the PS3 is not worth the money, then dont get it, BUT do not complain about how much it cost, because its not a lot of money. A lot of money is much much much more than a mere $600.

Its like when you give a child a one dollar bill and they think they can buy the world. The fact is, those people that think like that, need to grow up. Its fine when you are a child, but if you want what you cannot have, then figure out how to get it rather than blame the systems price for your inability to achieve your goal.

 

[Sovieto]

how do you guys carry out such large posts after post?

 

[Shiftfallout]

how do you guys carry out such large posts after post?

fast typing, active minds, and a lack of porn for a distraction.

 

[sagema]

Shift takes pride that it takes him 100x the amount of text to explain something he believes is right, and no one can question his alpha boyish personality. Shift if someone says they can't afford something then deal with it. Don't cry like a baby for 100 paragraphs, why you feel they need to be insulted.

 

[the_flood502]

if $600 is breaking any of you, perhaps moving out of your moms basement might help. I do the occational part time internet job when im not doing something in the film industry. Just yesterday I emailed someone and asked if they want content for their website, they said yes, and passed them over to a company that gave me 25% of what that guy buys. Now im $16,930 richer, and all i did was send one email out of the blue. Im only 24. The fact is, people are not so poor as to not be able to spend $600 on a game system. Unless they are children. Then again, i know kids that have more money than some. In the real world $600 is nothing, a nintendo wii for 250 is chump change. People like me buy them for the hell of it, because we have the money to do so. Like most people.

what an odd thing to say... it's not the matter of cost... i could afford one now i f i wanted... it's the appeal of the console... and the games line up and PLAYABILITY!!! - no vibrating WTF!?!?

and people don't like the idea of spending £450 on a PS3 when a PC with a £300 GPU will do the same thing (Y) that's £150 cheaper and better (Y) -also ALL consoles lack RAM which is necessary for REAL environments i.e. physics (Y)... My PC has 4GB + 1GB in GPU RAM (it's on crossfire)... beat that SONY!

also blue ray or HD dvd don't matter right now... they just can't beat a good ol' DVD-/+R for now... until a Real format is suggest I.e. HD (this will most likely win anyways because it's cheaper and Microsoft is backing it...)

And what somebody said about Porn backing the HD DVD has not been verified... but i read the article... and it was suggesting that if the porn industry chose a side then that side would most likely win... it happened during the VHS vs Beta max thingy... apparently... (weren't beta max tapes the size of a house brick?)

Also those who mock other people's spelling... really need to grow up! - it's not important... you know what they are saying... and you probably can't think of another way of insulting them = Lame!

NB - My opinion not fact... so... don't think i'm trying to bring down SONY with my opinions... buy the console you like... i wouldn't buy one... i've just updated my PC with another £450... but thanks!

Dean

 

[Shiftfallout]

Shift takes pride that it takes him 100x the amount of text to explain something he believes is right, and no one can question his alpha boyish personality. Shift if someone says they can't afford something then deal with it. Don't cry like a baby for 100 paragraphs, why you feel they need to be insulted.

lol, and you take pride in your inability to read? Cause that might help you with making relevant posts.

Whatever floats your boat champ. =)

 

[JeremyGTS]

shift you said your in the film industry right just curious as to what you do? dont have to answer if ya dont want to just wondering... shift is right its up to the person to manage their money better, i know i could have a PS3 if i wanted to i mean i dont make that much money $14 on the hr work 40hrs a week and i know if i managed my money better i could buy a PS3 if i wanted to but i also understand what the other users are saying that its too much... i dont think its fair to call them broke they just have thier priorities set in a different route than you. id love to be able to just blow my money on systems and games like my bro but i have to feed my kids and make sure they have a roof over their head...
im in no way trying to argue im just stating what i think is going on in this thread.
not trying to be nosy shift where ya live? cost of livin low whereever it is you are?
im in IT if anyone wants to know... do helpdesk lol

 

[Rahnter]

The PS3 is expensive when compared to the other systems it has to compete against. That is all that matters. It doesn't matter how much or little money one makes. The fact is that the PS3 is marketed as a video game console, and as such, its price exceeds the opinion of some consumers. Of course there are those who will buy it, but there will always be others who either can't afford it or find its price unjustified for their intended use.

 

[Shiftfallout]

shift you said your in the film industry right just curious as to what you do? dont have to answer if ya dont want to just wondering... shift is right its up to the person to manage their money better, i know i could have a PS3 if i wanted to i mean i dont make that much money $14 on the hr work 40hrs a week and i know if i managed my money better i could buy a PS3 if i wanted to but i also understand what the other users are saying that its too much... i dont think its fair to call them broke they just have thier priorities set in a different route than you. id love to be able to just blow my money on systems and games like my bro but i have to feed my kids and make sure they have a roof over their head...
im in no way trying to argue im just stating what i think is going on in this thread.
not trying to be nosy shift where ya live? cost of livin low whereever it is you are?
im in IT if anyone wants to know... do helpdesk lol

I have done quite a bit, and still have a lot more to do. I live in Los Angeles, and have worked with people such as angolina jolies father, avi arad of marvel comic fame, the like. Basically, I have done both creative and desk work for films (acting, assisting, producing, selling). I like to hop around, so I dont stick to any one company or studio. Part time I also sell internet content for a company, I make my schedule. Couple days ago I spent 5 hours selling online content, and scored a $17,000 deal. 17k for 5 hours of work isnt bad. =) Im only 24. I realise if I want something, I have to figure out how to get it. Once you do that, its not that hard figuring out how to achieve it and make it happen. This world is a gold mine, you just need the head and resolve to reach out and get it. (btw, I grew up an only child of a single mother who partially relied on top ramen to keep us fed. I know what being poor is, and I know that when you are poor you cant blame other products for being out of YOUR own reach. On my own strength (or Gods rather), I worked up from that with resolve.)

Im not bashing people for being broke, but i am bugged that they blame the price of the PS3 for their inability to buy what they want. If its out of their reach, its out of their reach. They have three options, complain about how much money 600$ is, work and figure out how to get what they want, or just leave it be. Most are just complaining, instead of being realistic about it.

The PS3 is expensive when compared to the other systems it has to compete against. That is all that matters. It doesn't matter how much or little money one makes. The fact is that the PS3 is marketed as a video game console, and as such, its price exceeds the opinion of some consumers. Of course there are those who will buy it, but there will always be others who either can't afford it or find its price unjustified for their intended use.

Not really. The 360 comes to more if you get the similar specced setup. Its not being marketed as a gaming console, but a home entertainment system. Thats the different approach sony is taking, and it shows. As someone who has built his own computers (cheaper and more fun), i can tell you the graphic card types they have easily run upwards of $400 alone. For a home entertainment system, its price is fair considering the loss Sony is taking on each console sold. I agree that some consumers would be turned off by this, because they see it merely as a toy rather than a tool. If people looked at the PS3 as they would a computer, or a HDTV, it would be different. But theres this notion that, like cartoons, it must there for be for kids and therefore not worth the price. Sony is doing a good job, abit slowly, but good, in breaking that image that video games are for kids.

 

[Hybrid]

lol, and you take pride in your inability to read? Cause that might help you with making relevant posts.

Whatever floats your boat champ. =)

Ok i quoted that for no real reason but just to agree with what Shift is trying to say.
Ok i can't afford a ps3, but i'm a kid and have only had enough money to get one when i had an acting gig and got 100$ per week.(7 weeks) actually i probably still have the money but any how.(that might help you out shift)
I have neighbors and there both around 20,23 something like that.
They are NOT rich because they both happen to live with there mom. But yet the managed to buy a PS2. And they both got 2 toyota 2004 SUV'S now thats around 20000 $ but yet they could manage to buy. Now if two guys that just came out of college(university) and can afford that! then that shows that 600 $ aint a hell load. Of course the average users on this site very from 10 to 15 then of course the average is gonna say it's expensive. But i asked my mom(note: that were not a rich family) if the 600$ is allot of money.She said"its not nothing, but it definitly isn't allot." Now my house i pretty small around three floors(the top one is like 10 feet though) and my rich friend: his dad went out and bought a mac pro,PS3,360,wii,DELL XPS. THATS ALOT.
600 $ isn't THAT MUCH!!!!!

Im not bashing people for being broke, but i am bugged that they blame the price of the PS3 for their inability to buy what they want. If its out of their reach, its out of their reach. They have three options, complain about how much money 600$ is, work and figure out how to get what they want, or just leave it be. Most are just complaining, instead of being realistic about it.

you should realise that most people saying it's too expensive are like 15( besides Squall7).


~Hybrid